ropey Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Hi. Can anyone tell me what map symbol was used on German maps to depict a Kampfgruppe? Was it dependant on the size of the KG, or did they have a special symbol? And while we're on it, what symbol did the Allies use on their maps for a German KG? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatEtr Posted September 28, 2008 Share Posted September 28, 2008 Ask and you shall receive. German Army. The best Internet source for German WWII symbols are from Dr. Leo Niehorster’s website: World War II Armed Forces, Orders of Battle and Organizations. Wehrmacht 1939 – 1940: http://niehorster.orbat.com/011_germ...ymbols_39.html Wehrmacht 1941 – 1942: http://niehorster.orbat.com/011_germ...ymbols_41.html Wehrmacht 1943 – 1945: http://niehorster.orbat.com/011_germ...ymbols_43.html Wehrmacht Individual Figure Symbols: http://niehorster.orbat.com/011_germ...s_figures.html Luftwaffe Organization Symbols: http://niehorster.orbat.com/011_germ...luftwaffe.html Luftwaffe 1941 – 1942: http://niehorster.orbat.com/011_germ...ols_41-lw.html Luftwaffe 1943 – 1945: http://niehorster.orbat.com/011_germ...ols_43-lw.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropey Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 A useful site, but sadly I can't see any mention of a Kampfgruppe symbol on any of the pages (possibly because it's a temporary organisation?). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 that´s because a german Kampfgruppe can be anything from a reinforced company up to brigade size (or depleted division) and thus is presented by appropiate map symbols. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropey Posted October 10, 2008 Author Share Posted October 10, 2008 Ah, so a KG with a Regiment and a battalion from another div would have a Regiment symbol with the KG name. Would it have anything to denote the extra battalion? Anyone happen to have an actual map example? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Ah, so a KG with a Regiment and a battalion from another div would have a Regiment symbol with the KG name. Would it have anything to denote the extra battalion? Anyone happen to have an actual map example? Generally yes. AFAIK it´s oftenly way more simple, I´ve seen boxshaped or circular map symbols with a "KG" or "KGr" (Kampfgruppe - battlegroup) notation. Example "KGr 260. I.D" or "KG Peiper". The symbol roughly denotes the force size, in example 2x Inf. Btl. a Pak platoon and a Pionier platoon would have a regimental symbol. Remnants of a Division would have a divisional symbol, even if it´s just battailon size. However, I´ve not yet seen a general rule, with regard to german battle group symbols. Other related examples would be the german "Vorausabteilung" (advanced detachement) or "Marschkompanie" - "Marschbattailon" (march cpy / btl ). Map symbols would be similar to battle group, the force size/type symbol with a "VA" beside it or in case of the march cpy/btl a force symbol with "MK" (Marschkompanie) or "MB" (Marschbattailon). http://www.axishistory.com/ gives various interesting search results (keyword kampfgruppe) for german battle group compositions, but no map symbols or examples. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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