Idea: Diplomatic Related Limitations on Movement of Italian Units?

[Edwin P.]

What about diplomatic related limitations on the movement of Italian units?

For example:

Once Italy joins the Axis its rating is Pro Axis +100%.

Italy Pro Axis +100% = No Limitations on Movement.

Italy Pro Axis + 75% = Can not move Italian Units into Russia or Finland.

Italy Pro Axis + 60% = Italian Units in Russia, Romania and Bulgaria may only move/operate in a Westerly direction.

What actions would reduce Italian relations with Germany?

Giving Vichy Morocco, Vichy Algeria, Vichy France or Egypt to Spain. The Allies spending diplomatic chits on Italy that are not countered by German diplomatic activity. The Allies seizing an Italian city.

Effect of Germany giving territory to Spain on relations with Italy:

Vichy Morocco = -5% to -15%

Vichy Algeria = -5% to -20%

Vichy France = -10% to -30%

Egypt = -15% to -25%

Other Actions that Affect Italian Pro Axis %:

Allied Diplomatic Chit = -1% to -5%

Germany Diplomatic Chit = +1% to +7%

Allies take Italian City = -5% to -15%

Allies Liberate France = -5% to -15%

With this system, Germany could use territory to influence Spain into joining the Axis at the cost of damaging relations with Italy.

Furthermore, the willingness of the Italian government to send its troops into conflict far from Italian territory is reduced as the Allied threat to Italy grows or Italian aspirations are disregarded.

Germany could improve relations with Italy by giving territory to Italy, at the cost of damaging relations with Spain.

Example:

Vichy Algeria to Italy = Italian Relations +5% to +10% and Spanish relations -5% to -15%.

Gibraltar to Italy = Italian Relations +5% to +10% and Spanish relations -20% to -40%.

[ November 03, 2004, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: Edwin P. ]

[vveedd]

Sounds good to me.

[_onepercent]

Unit movement limitation is an interesting idea.

However, allies can't give french territory away unless they're setting up for a post-ww2 conflict between france and spain which is out of the scope of this game. Liberated french territories go back to france, that includes vichy france and it's posessions.

Likewise, britain was fighting a world war to protect it's commonwealth. If you think about it, then you'll realize that there's no chance at all that Churchill is just gonna say "hey, let's give egypt to the facist franco, and let's hope he reckognizes the great gesture this is!"

I'm not mocking your idea, it's still an interesting one, it's just not realistic at all that france or britain would start chopping up their territories and handing it out to facists (or anyone else) for good gesture. Wouldn't have happened. Otherwise you might as well give florida back to spain and hope they reckognize the good gesture as well, it's not happening.

[Edwin P.]

Agreed, the "Allies" would not trade territory.

However,the UK and the French Government in Exile might have returned Syria to Turkey if they were desperate and that would have brought Turkey into the war on the side of the Allies.

[ November 04, 2004, 06:48 AM: Message edited by: Edwin P. ]