Tim The Enchanter Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Will it use a B-17/29 or Lancaster graphic? Or will it show a hypothetical Orel type Bomber or something related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaMonkey Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Heck Tim this was one of the firsts mods in SC, the sprites were worked over by a number of gifted artists. Seems likely that story will be repeated or you can do it yourself, a matter of personal preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim The Enchanter Posted November 19, 2004 Author Share Posted November 19, 2004 Great, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Late in the war both the United States and Germany, apparently independently of each other, were building a very similar aircraft call the All Wing in German and the Flying Wing in the United States. The American version was actually built and flown as both a prop and jet aircraft. It was discontinued in favor of other designs after a suspicious crash. Decades later the concept was brought back as the Stealth Bomber, the designers of which willingly acknowledged their debt to the Flying Wing aircraft -- honoring it's creator before his death. I think Level 5 bomber for German should be The Horton Brothers All Wing Bomber. After the war the two brothers became successful aircraft designers in South America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim The Enchanter Posted November 19, 2004 Author Share Posted November 19, 2004 Nice post as well as pictures! I agree that it would be a great choice for a level 5 German bomber! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Thanks Tim, appreciated as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributar Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 i don't know what a level-5 bomber is in SC2...but, before war broke out in Europe a German Luftwaffe General wanted to build long-Range bombers...he died in an airplane crash shortly after trying to push his idea. Had Germany had these long-Range Bombers...the Russians would have had greater difficulty in relocating their factories out of German Bombing range early in operation Barbarossa. I figure that not having these long-range-bombers was just another mistake in a long list of mistakes that the 3rd-Reich made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim The Enchanter Posted November 28, 2004 Author Share Posted November 28, 2004 Yes I agree that the de- Axis and Alliesification of SC concerning Weapons "D" if you will would be a bonus for us all friends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim The Enchanter Posted November 28, 2004 Author Share Posted November 28, 2004 Posted to the wrong thread friends! My mistake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Tumble Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Didn't the germans have long range bombers? Just that they were only used in a maritime interdiction role? I remember seeing something on the History Channel about them and how a catapult launch system was developed for convoy escorts so they could deploy a modified Spitfire for defense ... once. Anyone else know about these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 The FW 200-C Condor. I haven't got the range specs, but I'm sure this is the aircraft you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.J. von Arnim Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 There was also the Focke Wulf FW-400ta. Check this link for further information: http://www.luft46.com/fw/fwta400.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributar Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Arnim, Hans-Jürgen von This is the fellow who advocated a long-Range-Bomber program...and was killed in an airplane crash shortly after he pushed for the long range bombers (6-Engine Bombers in this case). http://www.luft46.com/fw/fwta400.html In 1943, work was begun on the Focke-Wulf Ta 400 by the Technique de Chatillon, a construction community of over 300 French technicians (controlled by Focke-Wulf) who were accomodated in Chatillon sur Bagneux, a southeast suburb of Paris. A number of firms in France, Germany and Italy were commissioned to design and construct the major components. The Ta 400 was envisioned as a bomber/ longe-range reconnaissance aircraft, and was to be at least partly used to help the U-Boat services. The wing was shoulder mounted and had a 4 degree dihedral on the outer wing panels. Six BMW 801D radial engines each providing 1700 horsepower were mounted on the wing leading edge. A later design featured two Jumo 004 jet engines beneath the outer most radial engines. There were two pressurized sections in the fuselage, one in the forward section which encompassed the cockpit and one in the fuselage rear section for the operator of the rear rotating turrets. Two view domes were mounted on the fuselage sides to facilitate remote-controlled gun aiming. The tail was of a twin fin and rudder design, and the tailplane incidence could be adjusted hydraulically. The fuel was stored in 32 tanks, 12 in each wing and 8 in the fuselage, for a total of 27000 liters (7133 gallons). The undercarriage was of a tricycle arrangement, with a single nose wheel that retracted to the rear and four main wheels (one under each engine) that retracted forwards. A crew of nine manned the plane, and the defensive armament consited of one remote-controlled turret beneath the fuselage (two MG 151 20mm cannon), two remote-controlled turrets on the upper fuselage (two each MG 151 20mm cannon) and a remote-controlled tail turret mounting four MG 151 20mm cannon. The range was to be 4800 km (2981 miles) with a bomb load (see table below for possible bomb loads) of 10000 kg (22000 lbs). Span: 42 m (137' 10") Length: 29.4 m (96' 5") Max. Speed: 535 km/h (332 mph) w/two Jumo 004: 720 km/h (447 mph) Focke-Wulf Ta 400 windtunnel models This could have been the 'Ural-Bomber' that could have been used to bomb Russian Industry...earlier in the war when Germany had Air Superiority. http://luft46.volga.ru/fw/fwta400.html [ December 08, 2004, 02:23 PM: Message edited by: Retributar ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 von Arnim and Retributar Great posts. Germany saw the value of such projects far too late, of course. It's obvious to see that in all of these aircraft, Ernst Udet's obsession with all aircraft needing to be able to dive bomb was thoroughly forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.J. von Arnim Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 @Retributar: Not really von Arnim was NOT killed in a plane-crash - he was arrested by the Americans in Africa 1943 and died later in 1969 in Germany. He was responsible for the failing of Allies "Operation Torch" in Marocco...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 there was a specuial on the history channekl recently hitler had another plan in mind, a sequel to mein kampf... this plan included the invasion of america... they wouldve used super battleships, bases in azore that were being negiotiated for, and the.... AMERIKA BOMBER... specs..... 4000 lb bomb load 12 THOUSAND mile range :eek: that would have been more than enuff to bomb quite a large part of america Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 GeneralMark I'm glad someone else enjoyed that program. I've been talking about it elsewhere and it isn't only that no one else saw it, no one else even seems interested. I think the progam title was misleading. They must have thought Hitler's Lost Plan would attract viewers, but I think the more accurate, Hitler's Lost Book or Hitler's Forgotten Book would have attracted far more history buffs. After all, old Adolf had a lot of plans, we already knew that, what we didn't know about was his 1928 manuscript. One minor point I noticed is they described the six never built Hindenburg Class BBs as having 18" main guns (eight each, the ships were really to be larger versions of Bismarck / Tirpitz). Prior to this show I'd always read that those vesses were to carry 8x16" guns. If the idea was to target the U. S. Navy, then of course 18" makes a lot more sense, as the Japanese realized when they built the Yamato and Mushashi, as the U. S. was committed to BBs with 16" weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributar Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I think we might have our "Von Arnims" confused...or i have the wrong General, Yes...a quick web-search shows a Von Arnim captured in North Africa...true enough. But, i also know that i was watching this particular 'History Channel' WW2 Documentary more than once'...and that particular General who wanted a Long-Range-Bomber-Force...was 'Killed' in a...supposed airplane crash...of that i am sure of!. [ December 08, 2004, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: Retributar ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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