desertrat1943 Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 To all grognards out there: I am trying to make a scenario involving 2nd and 3rd gbrg divisions in the artic in the summer of 1941. What kind of FOs should I select to be historically accurate? I think anything above 81mm mortars would be out of place. But maybe some 105s are still good? Germans will have stukas, at least in the first two/three battles. Also, what arty should the soviets have? Rifle divisions fought in the area. Something up to howitzers spotter 12mm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 The GJs used a fair amount of Leichtgeschuetze (RCLs) in the arctic. They also had 75mm mountain artillery. The war TO&E for 4th GJD in 1941 gives it: 3 Batteries @ 4 guns each 15cm sFH 3 Batteries @ 4 guns each 10,5cm lFH 6 Batteries @ 3 guns each 7,5cm mountain guns The Soviets had their usual divisional artillery, as far as I understand. I.e. 76mm and 122mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertrat1943 Posted October 13, 2002 Author Share Posted October 13, 2002 Thanks! Any useful sources online I can check and get a culture? now, do you know a CMBB spotter how many batteries he represents? 1, 2, 3? Just to get an idea of how many spotters I should use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 One spotter represents a battery - but there is no spotter with 3 75mm tubes for the Germans. what you could do is use a 6 tube spotter for them, and have him represent two batteries. My source is not online, in German and out of print. No idea if you can find something better. In general artillery is badly covered on the web. It is just not as 'cool' as Panzers or the Waffen-SS. Que posso dire? As the Italians say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 On 22th June, 1941: 1. Gebirgs-Division: 79. Mtn. Art. Regiment: I and II Batt: 3 x 75 mm Mountain Gun batteries (4 x GK 15 each) III Batt: 3 x 105 mm Field Howitzer Batteries ( 4 x l. FH 18 each) IV Batt (Mot): 3 x 150 mm Field Howitzer Batteries ( 4 x s. FH 18 each) 2. Gebirgs-Division: 111. Mtn Art. Regiment: 1 x 105 mm Gun Battery (3 x K 17) I and II Batt: 2 x 75 mm Mountain Gun batteries (4 x GK 15 each) III Batt: 3 x 105 mm Field Howitzer Batteries ( 4 x l. FH 18 each) 3. Gebirgs-Division: 112. Mtn Art. Regiment: Same composition as 111. Mtn Art. Regiment. 4. Gebirgs-Division: 94. Mtn Art. Regiment: I and II Batt: 2 x 75 mm Mountain Gun batteries (4 x GK 15 each) III Batt: 3 x 105 mm Field Howitzer Batteries ( 4 x l. FH 18 each) IV Batt: 2 x 150 mm Field Howitzer Batteries ( 4 x s. FH 18 each) You can found the info here: http://www.freeport-tech.com/WWII/ [ October 13, 2002, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: Fernando ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Ooops, did I write 3 guns per battery 7,5cm? When I write '3', I mean '4'... Having said that, Fernando's and my source disagree with the number of batteries. I very clearly have 3 batteries of 7,5cm guns per battalion in the 1st and 4th GJD. Fernando, any idea what the chap uses as his source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 1. Gebrigs-Division is listed as having three 7,5 gun batteries per battalion, so no discrepancy between both sources, yours and mine. AFAIK he uses Tessin and other sources. It seems a very serious work. There is even some Tessin errata on the site. [ October 14, 2002, 02:51 AM: Message edited by: Fernando ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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