lcm1947 Posted June 30, 2002 Share Posted June 30, 2002 Was wondering if the Russian's had a jeep like our American one with the 50 Cal. on it. And for that matter didn't the German's have anything like that either? If so I hope both will be included in CMBB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spwaw Posted June 30, 2002 Share Posted June 30, 2002 Germans has no 12,7(50cal) heavy mg at all, only mg42 (7,62mm) Russians have examble T-40 amphibio tank with 12,7mm dshk tmg and 7,62mm dt cmg Su-57 57mm l52 m1 gun 12,7mm dshk aamg But i dont no that russians had any "heavy" jeeps.Sorry! :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcm1947 Posted June 30, 2002 Author Share Posted June 30, 2002 Thanks for the reply spwaw but I wasn't just meaning a heavy jeep. My error for knowing what I meant just not wording it properly. Anyway my point was any jeep - period - that mounted a machine gun. I just thought it would be cool to see another jeep on the enemies side that had one. Not that they are worth much in the game but they do have thier place. So the German's did have one. Hope it's modelled in CMBB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killmore Posted June 30, 2002 Share Posted June 30, 2002 They had tons of jeeps. Jeeps came from USA. Even in soviet moviet they show they driving american jeeps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mies Posted June 30, 2002 Share Posted June 30, 2002 As far as I know the German equivalent to the American Jeep was the Kubelwagen. Through the Lend-Lease act the Soviet Union was supplied with more than 427,000 smaller vehicles. For extended lists on this have a look here : http://wio.boom.ru/tank/ll.htm, or here: http://peacecountry0.tripod.com/lendlse.htm The first German units that reached the Volga River near Stalingrad in August 1942 are said to have captured American build Jeeps. I don't know if this particular story is true, but both sides on the Eastern front made use of each other's equipment. Interesting to see if and how these ownership changes will turn out in CMBB. Mies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWB Posted June 30, 2002 Share Posted June 30, 2002 Originally posted by spwaw: Germans has no 12,7(50cal) heavy mg at all, only mg42 (7,62mm) Russians have examble T-40 amphibio tank with 12,7mm dshk tmg and 7,62mm dt cmg Su-57 57mm l52 m1 gun 12,7mm dshk aamg But i dont no that russians had any "heavy" jeeps.Sorry! :eek: Germans did have something of the kind--a 13mm MG (and 15mm for that matter). Forgot the designation, but it was not altogether uncommon but was generally not issued to land forces. Used principally for AA, started showing up some in land battles on the approaches to the reich. Reason you don't see them in CM is because they really did not want to get into the details of simulating the 100 or so different mgs in german service. WWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcm1947 Posted June 30, 2002 Author Share Posted June 30, 2002 Well good. Sounds like at least the Russia's may have them. Now if we could only get some for the German's. Just one type would be fine with me. I don't no hundred different kinds of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcm1947 Posted June 30, 2002 Author Share Posted June 30, 2002 lcm1947 Member Member # 2981 posted June 30, 2002 03:38 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well good. Sounds like at least the Russia's may have them. Now if we could only get some for the German's. Just one type would be fine with me. I don't no hundred different kinds of them. -------------------- I think I meant to say " I don't need no hundred different kinds of them. Just wanted to point that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max WARRIOR Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 GAZ-67 But i dont know, use his with turret machine gun or not(never see photo with machinegun) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apex Posted July 1, 2002 Share Posted July 1, 2002 Germans has no 12,7(50cal) heavy mg at allThe MG131 (13mm), MG151 (15mm) and MG151/20 (20mm) were heavy aircraft machineguns which saw limited use in the ground role. apex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcm1947 Posted July 2, 2002 Author Share Posted July 2, 2002 I find it odd that the German's didn't use their 13mm more for action against troops or light vehciles like we did with the 50 Cal. As far as I know the 50 Cal. was also designed for use against aircraft but we sure used it a lot against land stuff. Anybody know why they wouldn't have used it more? Like were they not reliable or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apex Posted July 2, 2002 Share Posted July 2, 2002 Anybody know why they wouldn't have used it more? Like were they not reliable or something?They were reliable - all latewar fighters (Bf109, Fw190) mounted the MG131, as did many bombers. MG151/20 was even more common (Fw190 had 4xMG151/20 and 2xMG131). I don't think that reliability had something to do with it, they just weren't needed. The MG34 and later 42 performed admirabily in the anti-infantry role, and the light anti-armor and AA role was filled by the FlaK38 (20mm) series mounted on the bulk of recce vehicles or in towed configuration - no need for something in the middle requiring its own logistics chain. apex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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