PIII v. T34: An ASL Veteran's Perspective

[SgtMuhammed]

Of course that job would only last till the next comb out. Better have someone run over your foot with a tank or something.

[manchildstein (ii)]

in cross of iron/crescendo of doom the t34 was difficult for the 50mm gun of the pzIIIG/H to knock out.

with armor and range modifiers against anything but the 'early' model the to kill (roll this number or less on 2 6-sided dice) numbers would have been:

all frontal shots (early)

6(7) point blank

4(5) 100 meters

3(4) 500 meters

2(3) 1000 meters

in asl the numbers were:

hull (turret)

1(4) point blank

0(3) 100 meters

0(3) 500 meters

-2(1) 1000 meters

so indeed there appears to be quite a difference in the t34 armor between cmbb and coi-cod/asl...

also keep in mind that this probability represents something like 4 to 8 individual shots, and that there was a 'to hit' number which had to be rolled on 2 dice before the 'to kill' could even be attempted... admittedly, the 'to hit' numbers were usually at least 8 and above, assuming the german pzIII were unbuttoned and firing at these ranges...

in coi the base point value for "pzIIIE" (50mm) was 134 and for the t34a it was 141, and the b and c were 161 each...

in asl the base point value for pzIIIG/H were 51/53 and t34 "m40/m41" 51/55... t-34 m40 had a '76' where the m40 had a '76L'...

even with all of this in mind, and for whatever it is worth... i'm not sure that the armor model with regard to the 'early' t34s needs any kind of changing in cmbb... rather it is something i have simply 'gotten used to'... and fairly easily at that...

[manchildstein (ii)]

i don't have the exact side/rear figures from sl/asl available but interestingly, it is probably 'easier' to kill a t-34 from the side/rear in sl/asl than it is in cmbb...