DevilDog Posted July 26, 2002 Share Posted July 26, 2002 Has anyone else experienced this? Russia was likely too weak in the beta, but now it seems way too strong. I played a game recently where all settings were default (so no FOW) and I was amazed at the increased number of units Russia had. I never even made it close to Moscow, and I began my invasion the first turn in August. With the beta I had one game where I was about one turn from Russia surrendering (had taken everything except St. Petersburg and Moscow, both of which were surrounded) (and yes I had already taken everything back in the Urals). This was very difficult to do and probably wouldn't have happened against a human opponent. Maybe Russia needed a slight tweek to make it just a little tougher, as most attacks aren't nearly that successful. However, Russia is now too fortified. I think the adjustment to Russia overcompensated. I doubt I would willingly fight Russia in this game any more, as even a novice gamer could easily hold off and then beat back the Germans. What does everyone else think? [ July 26, 2002, 09:40 AM: Message edited by: DevilDog ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Wagner Posted July 26, 2002 Share Posted July 26, 2002 I think you should reserve judgement on your Russian campaign strategy until the full game comes out. Your acheivements in the beta seem too quickly resolved and though Russia is a tougher nut to crack in the Gold demo, I think that is the way it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randell Daigre Posted July 27, 2002 Share Posted July 27, 2002 Remember that in the full game you will not have a one-year time limit. The extra time can be used to prepare a stronger invasion against a stronger Russia (tech development and force build-up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted July 27, 2002 Author Share Posted July 27, 2002 Yes, but don't forget that the demo ends only several months short of when Barbarosa actually took place. So you wouldn't have a whole lot more troops. Play a game with no FOW and check out the number of Russian units. There are enough that it would be difficult to take out Russia reguardless of how many units Germany has. And don't forget that the longer you wait to invade the more units Russia gets, as well as a higher MPP pool for the first turn of active hostilities. [ July 26, 2002, 06:13 PM: Message edited by: DevilDog ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randell Daigre Posted July 27, 2002 Share Posted July 27, 2002 I just found out about Russia's collection of MPP's (while they are neutral) on another thread. Sounds like a real problem, but: -do they collect all their MPP's or only part? -if they only collect part, then what percentage? On the point of the delay, however, the demo ends a few months short of the historical date for Barbarossa. I, for one, intend on playing as many games as possible with everybody set on "Random" (in keeping with the spirit of "What if?"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloid Posted July 27, 2002 Share Posted July 27, 2002 Originally posted by Randell Daigre: I just found out about Russia's collection of MPP's (while they are neutral) on another thread. Sounds like a real problem, but: -do they collect all their MPP's or only part? -if they only collect part, then what percentage? On the point of the delay, however, the demo ends a few months short of the historical date for Barbarossa. I, for one, intend on playing as many games as possible with everybody set on "Random" (in keeping with the spirit of "What if?").Hubert has posted in the past that Russia gets a part of their MPP's. I think it might even have a sliding scale over time as well, but I could be making that part up Aloid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient One Posted July 27, 2002 Share Posted July 27, 2002 The USSR isn't too strong, wait until 1941 to attack when most of their forces are on the border and can be destroyed easily. Also, German forces will be stronger in 1941, you're not really supposed to attack the USSR in 1940. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hundminen Posted July 27, 2002 Share Posted July 27, 2002 Excuse my obvious ignorance, but how does one go about bringing Russia into the game in the gold demo? I've played from both sides, and Russia remains neutral until the demo expires mid 1941. Hundminen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce70 Posted July 27, 2002 Share Posted July 27, 2002 The easy way is to declare war on them. But they will declare war on you if you attack all their neighbours. Particularly the Baltic states, Turkey or Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted July 27, 2002 Share Posted July 27, 2002 They will also declare war if you've invaded Britain and Yugoslavia and Portugal and have Spain on your side! Regretably I managed to get teh Blue Corps wiped during the Russian invasion (of Germany), and there wasn't really sufficient time to get revenge. However I can assure you the Ruskies will have plenty of MPP's - they started with 540 vs me having squirreled away their acorns that's about 120% of a turn. But the game ended the turn after GB surrendered (Manchester proved a tough nut - took 7 tech 1 airfleets to soften up enough and Rommel in charge of a much weakened 1st Pz Corps to occupy it!! ) with Germany having 1600 MPP's and no-where to spend them!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted July 27, 2002 Share Posted July 27, 2002 Oh I meant to add - hte Russians came storming over hte border to be met by a "line" of corps armies and Pz groups - some of them under strength ad with a couple of gaps, and were promptly and easily thrown back a couple of hexes with heavy losses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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