aaa Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 I am in a PBEM game where I am playing as the Axis. I captured Poland, Belgium, Denmark and France quickly, with minimal losses and then went into a defensive mode in the West. I maxed out on R&D and slowly built up my forces in the East (Always leaving enough in the West to threaten Sealion.) Italians were purely defensive. I took Yugolavia after the coup and then waited until I got the "Russia prepares for War" message and invaded Russia in April 1942. By this time I had +3 Air, +2 Air range, +1 Tanks and +5 Industry along with 8 Air Fleets, 10 Tank Groups and plenty of Corps/Armies on the East Front. The US has declared war but this will make little difference. Russia will fall soon, probably early 1943. Although an interesting outcome for me as the Axis, this cannot be much fun for my Allied opponent. How can Allies defend against this strategy? Is my experience typical or have I just been lucky? [ October 15, 2002, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: aaa ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl G. E. von Mannerheim Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 PLay me, we'll you'll see how lucky you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaa Posted October 15, 2002 Author Share Posted October 15, 2002 CVM, I take it by your comment that there is a good allied defense to this strategy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norse Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Retreat, so you can build up your armies further behind. Place a unit (corp, army), in every strategic location (cities etc), and let them dig in to max entrenchment value there. That will slow the Germans down some, and buy you time to make your Sovjet military a force to be reckoned with. Make sure the Sovjet airunits don't go into combat, until you have some tech to back them up with. Until then, just send them back to Urals or something, you can rotate them back into combat when the battle becomes very important. Luck ~Norse~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl G. E. von Mannerheim Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 aaa, of course there is a way to defeat superior tech forces. Its called an all out offensive(kinda creative huh , this particularly works well against superior a/c. Use all available forces to punch a hole on their line then send 2 tank groups smashing thru the gap and attack the Af's while theyre on the ground. The Ai will then usually retreat. CVM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norse Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 I disagree I almost revealed my l33t tactics here now nah uh ain't gonna let ya get it that easy ~Norse~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaa Posted October 16, 2002 Author Share Posted October 16, 2002 My question is really more of a strategic question than a tactical question. It just seems to me that if the Axis delay Barbarossa to the last possible moment and use the intervening time to build up tech as well as air/tank forces and HQ's on the East Front, there is little the Allies can do. One way to delay the USSR's entry is to not attack many neutrals. This alone buys you a two to four turn delay in a USSR DOW. Or put in simpler terms - 2 Tech advances + 1500 MPP's! Questions: Do experienced players consider this a gamey strategy? If yes, what house rules do you recommend to mitigate the use/effectiveness of this strategy? If not, does anyone else use this strategy? If so, what are your experiences with this strategy? I started Barbarossa in April 42 with +3 Air, +2 Range, +1 Tanks, +5 Industry for the Germans and +2 Industry and +1 Ships for the Italians. Is this typical or was I "lucky" with the Tech advances? Having played often enough, I know what the Russian positions are going to be at the beginning of the Axis Invasion of Russia. I am able to pre-position my units so that I can take Odessa and Tallinin (the Baltic City?) on my first turn in Russia. I finish off all the first line Russian Armies by the end of my second turn. About the only thing I can think of is Allies may want to just disband those front line Armies and trade them for Corps to be deployed and entrenched further back? [ October 16, 2002, 09:02 AM: Message edited by: aaa ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norse Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 I don't really think it is a very gamey strategy. The Sovjet Union get MPP even when it is not in war, so once war is declared, the Sovjet Union can afford to buy the historical reserve armies immediately. If the Germans delay an invasion, then Sovjet get's more MPP's as well. A good Sovjet player can manage to defend against the axis juggernaught, atleast if Britain is still in the war. As the axis, I actually prefer to take Sweeden. This might speed things alittle up, but I need as much MPP's as possible from the very beginning, so I can put it into industrial tech. Maybe I loose a turn or two, but the allies cannot take much advantage of that, as long as I keep the initiative. ~Norse~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaa Posted October 16, 2002 Author Share Posted October 16, 2002 Norse, Thanks this is the kind of information I was hoping for. What you are saying is the USSR MPP "bank" increases every turn even before the USSR is at war which should mitigate the effectiveness of my delay strategy? This I did not know. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norse Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Originally posted by aaa: Norse, Thanks this is the kind of information I was hoping for. What you are saying is the USSR MPP "bank" increases every turn even before the USSR is at war which should mitigate the effectiveness of my delay strategy? This I did not know. Thanks.Yeah, exactely. Cheers ~Norse~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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