Carl G. E. von Mannerheim Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 You know i love the game, just one small little incy bitsy thing i plead for you to add: A Fortification on the Karelian Isthmus. Plllllllllease CVM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzgndr Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 A Fortification on the Karelian Isthmus. Good idea. That would work nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daystrom Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 You mean you have given up on the HQ CvM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashblade Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 A fortification and maybe 2 xp for the the front line units Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl G. E. von Mannerheim Posted October 3, 2002 Author Share Posted October 3, 2002 Soory, im posting froma model UN meeting, right now its break time. Hell no, im not giving up on My FInnish HQ, Mannerheim willbe in SC before im done, i promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norse Posted October 3, 2002 Share Posted October 3, 2002 A fortification would be excellent. It would keep the Finns from being such an easy "walkover" as they are now, without overpowering the Finns into an offensive juggernaught on it's own. Excellent suggestion, and as we know, the Finns worked pretty hard at the outbreake (and prior to) of the war to make this defensification. ~Norse~ [ October 03, 2002, 04:57 PM: Message edited by: Norse ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 I like Norse and Flashblade's suggestion. Fortifications and a little extra experience for the Finns. The addition of a Finn HQ might be too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzgndr Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 Thinking about this some more, a fortification may be too much. How about just starting the Finns already entrenched (+2), since they have already fought a war and are alert? This would give them some needed defensive benefits without making them too aggressive initially or too tough to beat later on. If Russians do attack and take heavy losses, the Finns will gain experience, so that would be something for the Allied player to consider. Let the Axis player deploy a German HQ and ground/air units up to Finland if he wants to make that an active theater. Historically the Finns were tough defenders of their country but not particularly interested in fighting the Russians, so we probably do not want to provide any offensive benefits to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashblade Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 Originally posted by Bill Macon: Thinking about this some more, a fortification may be too much. How about just starting the Finns already entrenched (+2), since they have already fought a war and are alert? This would give them some needed defensive benefits without making them too aggressive initially or too tough to beat later on. If Russians do attack and take heavy losses, the Finns will gain experience, so that would be something for the Allied player to consider. Let the Axis player deploy a German HQ and ground/air units up to Finland if he wants to make that an active theater. Historically the Finns were tough defenders of their country but not particularly interested in fighting the Russians, so we probably do not want to provide any offensive benefits to them.That's why I say fortification! The Finns never wanted to advance beyond it, but it will make the Russian think twice before trying to go straight up through Leningrad, they would have to go around the lake... I would love to see Mannerheim in the game, he was awesome! But the way HQs are setup now it would just give the Finns too much offensive power. The idea is to strengthen their defence to something resembling historical levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzgndr Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 The idea is to strengthen their defence to something resembling historical levels. I agree, but the Mannerheim Line was no Maginot Line. The goal is not to make the Finns invincible, just tougher than they currently are in the game so they aren't a pushover. A +8 fortification could be tough to break in 1944! I suggest we try entrenchments and see if that's enough. If not, then perhaps more forest terrain could be added. Something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 I like the idea of adding forests and having the Finns entrenched. If my memory is correct I recall seeing pictures of the Finns in their winter gear dug-in the forrest ambushing the Soviets. Bill Macon I like your suggestion if the German wants to send a HQ to Finland so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted October 4, 2002 Share Posted October 4, 2002 As I said before the problem is´nt Finland at all but the problem for the axis to put pressure on Russia. A fortification would be non-historical. It was the tenacity of the finish troops that prevailed not their fortifications. There are tons of options out there and I think we should discuss them as priority 1. For example; -retreat rules? -limiting units for sides? - Moving Minsk and Smolensk west. Historically these to cities were captured on the 28th of june and 16th of july 1941 which unfortunately dont can be repetead in the game. If that could be simulated the russians just can stack at Moscow and that would force them to defend the city at all cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl G. E. von Mannerheim Posted October 4, 2002 Author Share Posted October 4, 2002 A fortification would be non-historical I disagree (duh! ) A level 8 fort would be ahistorical but a level 5 (like sevastopol) would fit just nicely. Btw, the Finns also had a defense line north of lake lodoga but that would be best represented with entrenchment. CVM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl G. E. von Mannerheim Posted October 7, 2002 Author Share Posted October 7, 2002 bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashblade Posted October 7, 2002 Share Posted October 7, 2002 Originally posted by Bill Macon: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> The idea is to strengthen their defence to something resembling historical levels. I agree, but the Mannerheim Line was no Maginot Line. The goal is not to make the Finns invincible, just tougher than they currently are in the game so they aren't a pushover. A +8 fortification could be tough to break in 1944! I suggest we try entrenchments and see if that's enough. If not, then perhaps more forest terrain could be added. Something like that.</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmenianBoy Posted October 7, 2002 Share Posted October 7, 2002 I just ordered the game, but I didn't notice a way to build fortifications in the demo. Is this possible in the full version? -Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daystrom Posted October 7, 2002 Share Posted October 7, 2002 Originally posted by ArmenianBoy: I just ordered the game, but I didn't notice a way to build fortifications in the demo. Is this possible in the full version? -ThanksNo, the guys here were discussing existing fortification hexes in the game. No new fortifications can be built. regards Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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