Kuniworth Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Connection was lost, but we are in march 1940: My first game against a human and Im losing badly. Kuniworth(axis) Sven1969(allied) Sep 3, 1939 POLISH FRONT; Fall Weiss commences with 3rd army attacking from eastprussia in the back of the polish frontal defence. Panzer-korps smashes central defence and reach outskirts of Warzaw. DENMARK; Germany attacks Denmark. The danish capitol however puttin up fierce resistance. Sep 15, 1939 LOW COUNTRIES; Allies replies swiftly to the german aggression and attacks the low country in hope to put up defence along the Dyle river. Brussels are under heavy attack but the belgians refuse to surrender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Give'em hell Kuni! [ January 11, 2003, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: JerseyJohn ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Give'em Hell, Sven! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 October 1, 1939 POLISH FRONT; The polish defenders have formed a second line of defence with warsaw in the center. Wehrmacht smashes defence and destroys Warsaw garrison. Order from Hitler to destroy enemy forces is followed instead of capturin the capitol. Meanwhile Krakow Korps launches a counter-offensive in direction of Vienna. DENMARK; Danish resistance collapse. Surrenderin to Germany. LOW-COUNTRY FRONT German forces rush to aid the hard pressed forces of the Netherlands and Belgium. Oct 15, 1939 POLISH FRONT; Polish advance on Vienna continue. LOW COUNTRIES; Air attacks against Brussels. Massive french attacks against the city by 1st, 2nd armies supported by XXI corps are unsuccesful. ATLANTIC; French fleets attacks subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedrich_der_2 Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Thanks Jersy for your fair wishes I prefer taking the Axis but I think it is easier to win as Allies. If you learned your lessons from WW2 you can win as either side. Kuniworth was a good enemy. Sven [ January 11, 2003, 08:41 PM: Message edited by: Sven1969 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 (axis)Oct 29, 1939 POLISH FRONT; Modlin-korps retreats and reach pripet-marsches before destrooyed. Polish resistance finally collapses and surrender follows. USSR occupies eastern Poland. LC-FRONT German attacks led by Fieldmarshal Fedor von Bock hits 2nd French army hard. Allied assault on Brussels yields for a moment. ATLANTIC Wolf-pack u-29 sunk. JUTLAND-STRAITS Allied forces attacks german surfacefleet: Scharnhorst sunk. British fleets hit hard. (allied) NOV 12, 1939 ATLANTIC Wolf-pack u-30 sunk by french forces. LC-FRONT 2nd french army retreats. Airattacks continue on Brussels. English BEF arrives at the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 (axis) Nov 20, 1939 JUTLAND-STRAIGHTS Royal Oak sunk. ATLANTIC; U-29 severly damages british pride the HOOD. LC-FRONT; 2nd french army destroyed. German 7th panzer division under Rommel leads german offensive through the ardennes!!! Brussels finally relieved. (allied) Dec 10, 1939 ATLANTIC; u-29 sunk by destroyers surrounding task force; HOOD. JUTLAND; British retreats. LC-FRONT, Panzers bleedin in the forests of the ardennes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 (axis) January 7, 1940 Italy joins the axis-side. France will surely be under pressure now. FRANCE; Italian forces immediately launces offensive into southern France capturin Marseille. TARANTO; British and french blocade of Italian fleet. Attempts made to try and breakin it. Success very limited to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 Allied, feb 1940 TARANTO; British fleet sinks Caio Duilio. SOUTHERN FRANCE; France launces a counteroffensives into italian mainland. Canadians cut off italian army in Marseilles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedrich_der_2 Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 It was a big mistake to have three units in southern France but not one unit to cover Marseille. The only answer to German attack on Marseille was a counterattack with two units, without much success. [ January 11, 2003, 08:57 PM: Message edited by: Sven1969 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 March 3, 1940 (axis) LC-FRONT; The pressure on allied forces is mountin every hour. Surely a breakthrough must come any day now. TARANTO; Italians strikes back(at last). But the battle is not lookin very well. Mid march 1940 (allied move;) LC-FRONT Surface-fleet tryin to hit axis units near the coast. Limited success. TARANTO; Vittorio Veneto sunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 MY CONCLUSION; I consider this game as lost. Sven's aggressive play surprised me a lot and got me into situation I never encountered against the AI. In Poland I could have done better. And I should have smashed the allied defenceline in the Lowcountries much more earlier. My biggest mistake however was the debacle at Taranto. Because of the fog of War I never saw the eastern fleet-unit in the british-french blocade so my sub ran into an ambush. And then I hessitated if I should retreat or attack. All in all it was awful. I damaged a british BB and carrier but couldnt sink a ship. Disaster.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedrich_der_2 Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Dear Kuniworth, it wasn't that bad. In my first game against an human I was much worser than you. I think you were pretty good. Sure you had some problems to capture France early but you still could win the game. The Allies had not much MPPs left. I enjoyed the game very much and I learned a lot. Thank you for the game. Sven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Kuniworth If you're the Axis (or am I missing something) and you're okay in France but lost the Italian fleet, you're not in such bad shape. Italy's navy, in the long run, doesn't decide much. I had a similar IP game, lost the Italian Navy at Taranto, and ended up in good shape. Keep Plugging. Sven Nice and aggressive. Immediately upon posting I saw it was all over, so I guess my advice to Kuni is no longer valid. [ January 11, 2003, 09:14 PM: Message edited by: JerseyJohn ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Boggs Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Kuniworth, that was excellent how you segregated your different fronts during the commentary, it really added a great deal. To you and Sven, thanks for playing and sharing your game and strategies. We got some great games tonight!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 Well I suspected that your aggressiveness would have turned you a little weak. Your atlantic fleets must have been pretty damaged. Hood was down to 4, a carrier almost wiped out in the battle of Jutland and Royal Oak sunk. Im happy with the atlantic battles. However, the battle of Ardennes made me frustrated when I never could breakthrough. I think the best thing to do when you get a stallmate is to regroup, take your time and hit hard. I just scratched your troops and got into an unnecessary battle of attrition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 However Sven, how do you counter a british-french blocade of the italian fleet? I dont really know what to do there.... :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Kuniworth After my Taranto fiasco, which as I said was similar to yours, I automatically assume the Allies are out to sink Italy first priority and pull it's ships all the way back to Trieste in the northern Adriatic. Try supporting it with some air units and make the Allies come to you; they'll be low on supplies and you'll fare better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 Originally posted by JerseyJohn: [QB]Kuniworth If you're the Axis (or am I missing something) and you're okay in France but lost the Italian fleet, you're not in such bad shape. Italy's navy, in the long run, doesn't decide much. I had a similar IP game, lost the Italian Navy at Taranto, and ended up in good shape. QB]Well I dnt lose any ground units but Taranto was such a massacre, so the Med seem totally lost.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 Originally posted by JerseyJohn: Kuniworth After my Taranto fiasco, which as I said was similar to yours, I automatically assume the Allies are out to sink Italy first priority and pull it's ships all the way back to Trieste in the northern Adriatic. Try supporting it with some air units and make the Allies come to you; they'll be low on supplies and you'll fare better.But is it worth operating airfleets for so much MMP:s to win near trieste? Oh well I thought of that but got careless. I think Ill try that someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Right, I felt the same way. Then I figured if all the Allied fleets were in the Mediteranean what was covering England? I massed Luftflottes along the channel coast, sent some corps out, screened it with my small German fleet and had an instant Sea Lion. Within a few months the UK fell. The Italian fleet hadn't gone under for nothing! [ January 11, 2003, 09:25 PM: Message edited by: JerseyJohn ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedrich_der_2 Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 The Allis fleet was really damaged but one carrier was repaired and another was reinforced to strength 7. I think one German air fleet was lost right before the connection was lost. That hits the Axis hard because no Allied ai fleet was lost. If an Allied player plays smart you will loose your feelt for sure. You can only make a blockade to defend the bBaltic sea. That helps you to attack Sweden. There is one hex between Danemark and Sweden which can be defended by one ship. If this is damaged another German ship can defend the hex until the first is repaired. The Italian fleet is almost lost if the Allies are going for it. This hits you hard in my opinion. But most important for Axis is to capture Paris as early as possible. To destroy this strategy Allies should declare war on Lowlands which avoids any MPPs from plundering for Axis even if France cannot get the Lowlands. You have two possibilities. As Axis you can attack through Italy or you can attack a special hex south-east of Brussels with all your units. Or you go for Norway and Sweden with some units after getting Poland. I would go for Norway and Sweden and with this points I would buy a new air fleet to attack France. You also get more MPPs a turn with this countries. Sven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friedrich_der_2 Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Right, I felt the same way. Then I figured if all the Allied fleets were in the Mediteranean what was covering England? I massed Luftflottes along the channel coast, sent some corps out, screened it with my small German fleet and had an instant Sea Lion. Within a few months the UK fell. The Italian fleet hadn't gone under for nothing! [smile] I had two air fleets, one corps and three ships covering England. And some reinforcements were just arriving so Germany had no chance to attack England. I got enough MPPs to buy a chorps each turn and the German fleet was damaged. Sven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuniworth Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 Yeah, I never even considered launchin a sea lion. Sven, should you as axis buy airfleets right away or invest in research? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJohn Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Sven1969 Sounds good and also sensible. In the game I was discussing my opponent was also invading the Balkans and I identified his three aircraft carriers being in the Med. The Italian fleet had no chance, but the reason was too much had been directed against it. You did it the right way, covering England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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