Timber Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 If somebody could give me the penetration for the 90mm M3 gun at 30 degree's in CMBO, then that'll be great !. (Both APCBC, AP, and APCR will be apriciated) Im just curius as in CMAK it qoutes 87mm at 2000m at 30 degree angle. (I do not own CMBO) Any info wil be apriciated Regards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 CMBO does not give info on different AP shots, nor is there an 90mm M3. There is a 90mm M2 AA gun, and the 90mm guns on the M36 Jackson, M26 Pershing and T26E4 Super Pershing. The penetration data is as follows: M2 - 117 / 104 / 89 / 71 M36 Jackson - 114 / 107 / 97 / 92 M26 Pershing - 146 / 136 / 124 / 99 "T" rounds - 235 / 218 / 124 / 99 T26E4 Super Pershing - 173 / 162 / 148 / 124 "T" rounds - 266 / 240 / 212 / 164 All values are at 30 degrees, and signify penetration at 100m / 500m / 1000m / 2000m. BTW, which weapon are you referring to? I show only the M2 90mm AA gun being available for the Americans in CMAK, and it has a pen value of 87 @ 30 degrees @ 1000m, and 85 @ 30 / 2000m. It also has 87 @ 0 for 1000m. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timber Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share Posted January 17, 2005 Thanks alot Kingfish !! Yes in CMAK im refering to the 9.0cm M2 AA gun. Btw the guns on the M36 and M26 are 9.0cm M3's. Btw if i could get the 60 degree pen for the 9.0cm guns then that'll be great. ! Now another question for you, what is the penetration for the 7.5cm Kwk42 and 8.8cm Kwk43 in CMBO ?. (this time at 0-30-60 degree) And again Thanks Kingfish, I really appriciate it ! (Im just very curius as i want to compare some of these penetrations with some others ) All the best. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Man, this is going to cost you a beer... Pen data at 60 degrees: M2 - 69 / 63 / 56 / 43 M36 Jackson - 65 / 61 / 57 / 49 M26 Pershing - 68 / 65 / 60 / 52 "T" rounds - 66 / 60 / 53 / 40 T26E4 Super Pershing - 78 / 74 / 69 / 60 "T" rounds - 75 / 68 / 60 / 46 Now another question for you, what is the penetration for the 7.5cm Kwk42 and 8.8cm Kwk43 in CMBO ?. (this time at 0-30-60 degree)Not sure which guns these are. Is the 7.5cm the same one used on the Pak40, or the shorter version mounted on the Pz IV(G)? Is the 8.8cm the Pak43? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timber Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share Posted January 17, 2005 Hehe.. Beer's on me Thanks for the pen data for the 9.0cm M3 guns. The 8.8cm Kwk43 is the gun on the Tiger Ausf.B (Tiger II) and also the Pak43 yes . The 7.5cm Kwk42 is the L/70 gun on the Panther. Thanks again m8. Looking forward to the other pen data, i really appriciate it !! All the best. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I am fond of Oberdorfer in a tall frosty glass. Pen data for the Panther 0 degree - 173 / 160 / 145 / 114 30 degree - 138 / 122 / 111 / 91 60 degree - 62 / 59 / 54 / 46 King Tiger 0 degree - 220 / 205 / 188 / 157 30 degree - 176 / 164 / 150 / 120 60 degree - 79 / 75 / 70 / 60 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timber Posted January 18, 2005 Author Share Posted January 18, 2005 Thanks Kingfish !! Well now i see that they corrected alot of faults from CMBO to CMAK, such as the penetration figures for the Kwk42 and Kwk43/PAk43. Thanks alot Kingfish, i ow you one Regards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Salt Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Originally posted by Kingfish: CMBO does not give info on different AP shots, nor is there an 90mm M3. There is a 90mm M2 AA gun, and the 90mm guns on the M36 Jackson, M26 Pershing and T26E4 Super Pershing. The penetration data is as follows: M2 - 117 / 104 / 89 / 71 M36 Jackson - 114 / 107 / 97 / 92 M26 Pershing - 146 / 136 / 124 / 99 [snips]Curious; according to both Chaberlain & Ellis' "British & American tanks of WW2" and Hunnicutt's "Sherman", the gun mounted in both the M36 and the T26 (later M26) was the 90mm M3. All the best, John. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Timber pointed that out to me in his second post. You just wouldn't know it by looking at the unit info screen in CMBO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Salt Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Originally posted by Kingfish: Timber pointed that out to me in his second post. You just wouldn't know it by looking at the unit info screen in CMBO. So if they are the same gun, why different penetration performance? I'm wondering if the different stats come from different times. The late-model M82 round was better than the early one at all ranges. I suspect neither set of figures represents the T33, which was no better than the early M82 at close range but retained velocity and penetration much better at long range (according to the figures in Hunnicutt). All the best, John. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timber Posted January 19, 2005 Author Share Posted January 19, 2005 The difference in penetration performance is there because, the M26 Pershing (45) used the newer T33 projectile, while the M36 Jackson (44) used either the old M77 or M82 projectile. What im wondering about is why the 9.0cm M3 gun has better penetration than the 7.5cm Kwk42. Because in U.S. firing-tests the kwk42 was found to have better penetration and ROF than the 9.0cm M3. Regards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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