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    M48A5 vs T-55A

    in Combat Mission Cold War

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    19 minutes ago, John Kettler said:

    E5K,

    You're most welcome. As a point of interest, during the war in North Africa, it became apparent German antitank projectiles were highly effective. Testing found that a German or Italian AP shell (47 mm and up) which penetrated halfway into the fighting compartment usually knocked out the tank for good (brew up) and played hob with the crew, killing or wounding most of the men. By contrast, 2-pounder shot generally did not brew up the tank on a single penetration and didn't cause many crew casualties. This was when Allied ammo wasn't in armored boxes and Shermans (which showed up much later) didn't have wet ammo stowage either.

    But all that really need be said of Allied AP ammo ineffectiveness is that Major Jarrett, American Ordnance Liaison to the British and who made the statement about what German AP shell did, was decorated for an extremely dangerous process of extracting 7.5 cm PzGr39 shells from their casings, turning down the driving bands on a lathe (spin armed shell fuze!) of the German shell to fit the also shell removed American cartridge, then fitting it into the US 75 mm cartridge. This gave the British an effective AP round for the Grants.  

    Regards,

    John Kettler

    Spinning those shells on a lathe must have been nervous work to say the least.

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    M48A5 vs T-55A

    in Combat Mission Cold War

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    30 minutes ago, John Kettler said:

    E5K,

    Welcome aboard!

    The standard anti-armor round for the Panther was PzGr39, which was AP SHELL, not SHOT. Offhand, I don't recall whether the highly potent Panther ever had PzGr40, which was SHOT, known in British service as APCR and to the US as HVAP.

    Regards,

    John Kettler

    Hi John  I just did some home work on pzGr39. Very interesting. Easy to see why German tanks were so effective. Thank you sir

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    M48A5 vs T-55A

    in Combat Mission Cold War

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    4 hours ago, Amedeo said:

    Well, it seems that I didn't remember all the details of the comparison from the Panzerblitz booklet... in my defense, there was some misleading contradiction: the tank depicted is the M48A2 (and the profile, indeed, is one of a 90mm armed M48), but it also says that the tank is equipped with the 105/51 (i.e. M68) gun... 🤔

     

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    Yes sir I think your right. My experience is with M48a3  90mm gun and 52 tons. Im not aware of an a2 with 105 gun.

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    M48A5 vs T-55A

    in Combat Mission Cold War

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    50 minutes ago, Amedeo said:

    Indeed. The only downside in using HEAT ammo for the M48, other than the loftier trajectory compared to APDS, is that 90mm and 105mm HEAT rounds were notorious for their unrealiable fusing when striking at high obliquity. Anyway, as I said, I agree that a Panther would be in disadvantage in a duel against a M48.

    Yes you make some good points. Lots of what ifs in a tank duel. I do have lots of respect for the panther. I think it was the best tank of ww2. oh oh now I have opened up that can of worms. Nice talking with you.

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    comparision of tanks over the years.

    in Combat Mission Black Sea

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    On 3/1/2021 at 7:42 PM, chuckdyke said:

    I am not here to argue with a veteran, I just go by what I researched. I never seen a T72. It was not my point at all.

    . U.S Army tankers were, and still are, recruited to a 95th percentile standard with a 183cm (6'1") official height limit. Soviet tank crews were recruited to a 50th percentile (average), standard, with a 175cm official height limit.
     
    Keeping in mind that the 95th percentile for Soviet men is not the same as the 95th percentile for U.S men, and that smaller men were usually recruited for tank crews, the hatches on the T-72 were not only of an ideal size for a Soviet tank crew in light clothing, but were even adequate for winter clothing.

    Chuckdyke I think your research refers to peace time rather than war time. When I was in I saw tankers of all shapes and sizes. I think we were recruited for experience and aptitude. Not body size. Although I had a gunner who was a little guy. And he fit down into the gunners seat quite well.  

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    M48A5 vs T-55A

    in Combat Mission Cold War

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    3 hours ago, Amedeo said:

    The first tactical wargame I ever played was the good ol' Panzerblitz by Avalon Hill. (Disclaimer: I'm not that old, I got the game more than ten year after its first release 😄)

    I remember that, in the scenario booklet, there was an appendix detailing technical data about the various German and Soviet tanks depicted in the game. There were also the specs of the US M48A5, next to a Panther, with a note saying that this was the proof that tank design practically stagnated for twenty years.

    Since then, I always dreamed about a Panther G vs M48A5 match! 😂 It's a pity we cannot mix and match hardware from the various CM games!

    P.S. No, I do not think that the PzKpfw V was on par with the M48, especially if one considers the 105mm armed variant.

    The problem is the Panther would be firing SHOT ammo. The M48 would be firing HEAT ammo. Not good for the Panther.

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    So glad i found CM

    in Combat Mission - General Discussion

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    Seems like a good thread to make my first post. You might say im a old new guy. I was introduced to Panzer Blitz back in the 70s. Ran the full line with Avalon Hill for years. Then early computer Panzer games - Close Combat - Then on to CM. WW2 is my first love . But I will buy CW because I was a tanker when I was in the Marines back in the 60s. and those M48s are to good to pass up.  Glad to be on board.   E5K

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