Oleg
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Here T-72B3 outspotting PRP-4M dedicated ground surveillance vehicle equipped with radar
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Sadly, Oplots was not there.
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7 hours ago, Ivanov said:
What's quite abnormal about this situation, is that the Oplot actually spotted the BMP but it didn't fire during the 10 seconds.
There is bug ingame with Oplot, when its commander just doing forever "rotating" and nothing else.
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On 18.08.2016 at 0:24 AM, Rinaldi said:
I never thought I'd see a thread that says the T-72 sees too well.
It sees so much too well that in weather condition "thick haze" dedicated surveillance vehicles like brm-1k, prp-4m with ground Radars sees less than T-72B3 with its gunner site. Yes T-72B3 has good gunners site, but it should not be that good to outspot dedicated surveillance vehicles with Radars like brm-1k, prp-4m
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Also how to take control of both teams in the battle, so i can do more accurate tests? I made test in OP post with AI controlling infantry, i just have chosen units for him to be sure he has only infantry and no anti tank weapons. But to do proper test i must rid of AI and control both teams myself.
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2 minutes ago, BTR said:
Yeah, that's a problem with T-64BV isn't it?
I dont think so. I think any tank ingame with TKN-3 should really be almost blind, and thats while stationary, while on the move they must be completely and utterly blind(cause TKN-3 does not have optical stabilization). So for my look T-64BV is modeled correctly, its T-72B3 who has way more vision ingame than it deserves.
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22 minutes ago, BTR said:
TKN-3MK does not make you almost blind
T-64BV, which has same TKN-3, ingame almost blind
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8 minutes ago, Vanir Ausf B said:
unless they spotted the shooter.
Ah, maybe thats it. T72 did not had "laser warning" message but did popped smoke and reversed. I thought this behavior has only tanks with laser detection, and its bug that T72s doing this without "laser warning" message. But if you saying tank crew may do this on their own if they spotted shooter, then yes its ok.
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8 hours ago, Vanir Ausf B said:
Any tank with an APS will have a LSR.
That seems wrong. APS can detect incoming projectiles not incoming laser radiation.
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Also, ingame T-72B3 demonstrates "laser warning behavior"(popping smoke and reversing), when enemy aim it with laser. But its even ingame does not have "laser detection ability", not even saying about IRL.
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15 hours ago, MikeyD said:
The biggest offense against a vehicle in-game is the Ukrainian T64 in my humble opinion. Sure, its an old vehicle but giving it the spotting ability of a buttoned BT fast tank in CMBB seems a bit harsh. Even if you unbutton the commander (only to get him shot by a sniper 5 minute later) he still can't spot anything.
Especially when IRL both "old" Т-64BV and "new" T-72B3 share the exact same commanders site - old soviet TKN-3.
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2 hours ago, Battlefront.com said:
There is a big difference between repeating a lie that you believe is true and repeating a lie that you know is a lie. I have always had the impression that Vladimir believes what he says is true
Lets go back to the WW2 for a second. Did it matter for Allies, what german people had believed is true, when allied bombers bombed german cities? Did Allies bothered with "oh someone down there in that cities may just be naive and misinformed". No they did not. They bombed german cities because it does not matter what germans believed and what they said, it only mattered what they did and what they did not. And germans, every single one of them, regardless of if they actually believed what they was saying, was responsible with their action or absence of action (for ex. not revolting against Hitler) for Hitler being at power.
And if you would say that putting similarities betwin Putin's Russia and Hitler's Germany is too much. I will say you wrong, cause its too much similar facts, starting from Putin's: "we must use military to defend russian speaking people in neighbor country". Hitler did exactly the same in 1938 "we must use military to defend german speaking people in neighbor country"
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20 minutes ago, hattori said:
I also appreciate hearing a pro-Russian viewpoint
There is no pro-Russian or pro-Ukrainian. There is only truth, facts. And calling truth and facts to be pro-someone is hilarious.
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2 minutes ago, hattori said:
It would be very hard for me to be able to objectively criticize my country
Because Canada is great and civilized country, not lying to anyone, not annexing anyone territories. There is nothing you can objectively criticize Canada for.
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9 minutes ago, Battlefront.com said:
Sadly, you continue to show your ignorance and naivete.
He's not naive. He's not misinformed. In fact he knows the truth, but he is lying on purpose, cause he know truth will end up regime he is serving. Yes, for intelligent human who is thinking about future its seems unlogical, why someone is willing to act in such way, lies sooner or later always reveals itself and they only delaying their end and making it more painful. But here comes "mysterious Russian soul", which can be described as "what after us we could not care less". By delaying the end of regime, he is serving, he continues the time at which he can grab his part of the pie, cause he knows when this regime falls and it will come law and order to Russia - he will be miserable and unwanted. Look at today's "leaders" of "DNR/LNR", when there was law and order on their lands - they was just some unskilled workers like carwashers. But when "russian world" came they become powerful men getting best food best woman best house. That is what Putin's regime built on. On scam stupid people who know they will not be able to achieve anything in their live in civilized world.
So you are just wasting time trying to convince him he is wrong. Cause he already know he is, and always knew it.
Its like drug dealer. He knows he is doing wrong thing, and knows its only matter of time until police get him. But he does not know how to live other way.
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1 hour ago, Machor said:
New BBC article on Russia's military capabilities:
"In some areas, their skills and equipment are far more advanced than in comparable Nato armies. "
In what exactly? EW? I can tell you for sure - we know exactly coordinates of every EW russian unit. And we did not destroyed it yet with 2S7 Pion or Tochka-U only because of "Minsk agreements". Russian EW astonish europe only because europe has forbidden Ukraine to destroy it when they put ennormouse pressure on Ukraine to force us sign "Minsk agreements".
Its almost like europe afraid Ukraine can win, so they artificially restricting it. Its not so wild thought as it may appear at first. If you think this. Europe has been accustomed with Russia being "regional director". But if Ukraine will beat Russia - Russia will loose its status of "regional director". So the whole world will change for Europe. It will be new unknown world, and everyone is afraid of unknown things.
QuoteIn some incidents, sizeable Ukrainian forces have been nearly wiped out in a matter of minutes.
They talking about Ilovaisk. It worked only because no one expected Russia will move in its regular army to save it's puppets. After this there was not any incidents where "sizeable Ukrainian forces have been nearly wiped out in a matter of minutes"
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On 10.08.2016 at 1:29 PM, VladimirTarasov said:
TKN-3 does not make you blind, you can spot well out to some areas depending on the terrain.
It does. TKN-3 does not have optical stabilization, so on the move commander cant see anything at all with this sight. Its reflected in article https://topwar.ru/35631-t-72b3chto-eto-za-zver-chast-1.html
QuoteВ принципе — это тоже нормально. Веселье начинается при движении танка. Если не будете делать из своего тела стабилизатор данному прибору, то хрен вы что в него увидите.
In stationary position, yes he can see something, if it is very close to tank tank, in open field, in clear weather, in bright day.. basically he will see more just with naked eye when he unbuttoned from the hatch. Its also reflected in article https://topwar.ru/35631-t-72b3chto-eto-za-zver-chast-1.html
Ведь главная работа командира танка заключается в выполнении приказа командира взвода. Он указывает механику, куда и КАК двигаться. Он ищет и находит цели для наводчика. Как ему это сделать?
Ночью — никак. Днем — вылезать из люка и осматриваться… Вот так вот, по-современному, и сделали в данной версии модернизации, все таки XXI век на дворе… -
In this article full of real life experience of tanker using T-72B3
https://topwar.ru/35631-t-72b3chto-eto-za-zver-chast-1.html
https://topwar.ru/35591-t-72b3chto-eto-za-zver-chast-2.html
You can find that yes, it have good gunners sight with thermal view. But its only gunners sight, so its limited to narrow field of view in direction main gun is pointed to.
And Commanders sight is crappy old soviet TKN-3MK which even does not have optic stabilization, and can see only up to 500m. Its basically just simple periscope, and commander must turn it around with force of his own hands - its not even motorized. Its worst sight ever
Compare it to commanders sight PNK-4SR on T-64BM Bulat. PNK-4SR has optical stabilization, and can see up to 1100m.
So my complain is. When i tested T-72B3 against infantry, this tank spotted infantry which was sitting quiet in distant building from side of the tank, and main gun was not pointed in the direction of that infantry, so fancy thermal imagine gunners sight was not involved. That infantry was spotted by the commander of T-72B3 who was sitting with closed hatch. But commander of this tank, considering how terrible commander optics it have IRL, should be almost blind ingame, and only real spotting capability tank should have only in direction of main gun.
T-72B3 has overpowered optics ingame (IRL commanders optics is terrible)
in Combat Mission Black Sea
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And here is T-72B3 outspotting Oplot
Both tanks has second generation thermals, and should be at least equal in spotting.
PTT-2(Oplot) thermal gunners sight characteristics here
http://photopribor.ck.ua/en/products/defense/equipment_for_armored_vehicles_control_systems/buran1/
it says detection range is 8km
characteristics of Sosna-U(T-72B3) sight here
http://www.uvd.kirov.ru/information/5416-xarakteristiki-sosna-u-dnevnoj-opticheskij-kanal-teplovizionnyj.html
it says detection range is 5km