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    Were Mikhail Kalashnikov still around and were the AN-12 to be adopted, I believe he'd be deeply conflicted: glad to see the firm be able to carry on, but unhappy that the 5.45 was still in his Avtomat. He made it quite clear he considered the 5.45 x 39 mm cartridge to be militarily inferior to the bigger, heavier 7.62 x 39 mm for the AK-47.

     

    On a similar note, the original designers of the tank came up with the TOG-2.  Being the first one to get it right, does not ensure you will be right in the future.  

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    Actually, I was surprised not by the fact it killed two IFV, but by the fact in passed through 5+ houses and flew out of the map.

    Like mass production of ventilation holes.

     

    Now that is getting a little out there.  passage through one object is going to strip off the fins if it's a sabot type projectile, and it will certainly begin to have eccentricity in flight path.

     

    Blowing through two lightish armored vehicles right by each other seems reasonable.  Keeping on a steady course after passing through a few multiple vehicles and houses without deviation?  Nah.   

  3. Not sure. Several tanks were covering the area. Spotted one BMP tank fired, then there was an explosion behind the first BMP and the first BMP caught fire and blew up some seconds later. Looking at the map afterwards there was a BMP in a crater behind the first BMP.

    Only saw one shot, never got an icon for the second BMP during the game. After first two brads one shot thread I just assumed it wasn't an uncommon experience.

  4. One of the reasons EMP is so questionable is unlike nuclear weapons, EMP is just not especially effective against military, especially prepared military targets, and it's nigh useless against current nuclear delivery systems.  To a large degree you can gravely hurt a country, but you do not remove the ability of that country to hurt you, and hurt you profoundly.  

     

    Which is to say sure you just knocked the entire east coast dark and once the lights come back on, it's going to be something like 1950 for a few years, but by god you've pretty much given the US every justification to use all weapons available short of out and out nuclear warfare (and perhaps not even that).

     

    It's really the peril of any large scale weapon, once you cross a certain threshold, you've just invented a nuclear weapon with a different flavor.  It's not something you can employ without triggering the same sort of catastrophic results coming back your way.

     

     

    So you missed the point?  The Russian attack would be launched by hordes of teenagers overrunning the capacity of the electrical grid, draining batteries and engaging in Rave parties.  Gawd Ukraine doesn't stand a chance.

    It always impresses me the sort of non-thought process that goes into assessing relative military strength.  To whip out Hegelian thought and stuff:

     

    Thesis: American military power is supreme and unchallenged

    Anti-Thesis: Russia has some pretty strong capabilities too, and the US stuff has some clear limitations.

    Synthesis: Both military forces have significant strengths and weaknesses.  I asses the US to be better at ABC, Russia good at D and E, while both share the weaknesses X and Y, while Russia alone holds a monopoly on being bad at Z, thus the US is marginally better or some such.

     

    I think it's become fashionable to hit the anti-thesis of "Russia is strong and the US has limitations" and then stopping there without challenging the Russian assertions of supremacy and capability, or accepting that there are some pretty dire limitations on Russian military forces and equipment.  If I made a claim that the US Army has DEW type weapons, the ability to totally annihilate all Russian communications, and a laser that will cause anyone of Russian blood to wee themselves, then I'd be justifiably laughed at.  Someone claims the Russians have the DEWs, can shut down all US electronics, and a laser that'll make bees kill Americans on command....SHOCKING REVELATION ABOUT RUSSIAN SUPERIORITY AGAINST HATO DOG AMERICANS.  Russian claims need to get the same level of scrutiny as American claims, with the additional caveat they're doing it on a smaller budget with more limited technology (in the practical sense of R&D, it doesn't rule out doing "smart" stuff, it's just they have a drastically smaller tech sector to work on such things/come up with stuff the military can steal)

  5. There's only really one question about these mods, if they're great, or the greatest mods.

     

     

     

    Out of mild curiosity, speaking as a former AJE5, what did you do, sir, ask them?

     

    "AJE5?"

     

    And yeah.  I did.  I asked them if they liked the old name.  They were pretty apathetic about it.  I asked for ideas for a new name, only the driver had one (he wanted to name the tank after himself, when told no/his last name didn't start with a D, he just added "D" to the front of his name).  I suggested Darwinian Selector, they seemed pretty happy with it minus the driver who caved in after no one wanted to name the tank D'Smith (name changed to protect the guilty). 

  6. The actual difference for most of those models is just more communications devices, seeing a radio can only listen on one network, a command vehicle needs several to listen to various networks (say Battalion-Brigade-Fires network-and the ability to "jump" to lower networks for more direct coordination if need be).  i think they do better with communications based tasks but that's about it.

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    LockandLoad - Regardless - I think that this is what we will see come may time. Painted in Dark Green. Its their only card in their sleeve at this time. I am almost certain that the fighting module will be the same anyway.

     

    Maybe.  But it's just as likely as any other number "Armata" models and prototypes we've seen revealed.

     

     

     

    I got into a really frustrating argument with an adult (or at least someone of the age supposedly of an adult) who was certain that WW II tanks should have been fitted with twin gun turrets. After all, if multi-gun turrets had worked well with warships, why not on tanks? Trying to explain to him the differences between ship and ground vehicle design and the physical constraints that led to them was just too big a job. So I gave up on the boob and left him to dwell in his ignorance.

     

    Same experience.  Did not understand why the Landkruezer Ratte or whatever was a terrible idea, simply kept stating that they could add more armor to make it invincible to air attacks, and have a flak nest on the roof.  Abrams would be better with two cannons, etc etc.  I tried hard to educate him. Thought I made headway, then proclaimed that an S300 launcher on top of a super tank would make it immune to all airstrikes, so the time is NOW for megatankshipthing.

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    It's an homage of sorts inspired by some existing stuff. 

     

    Nothing wrong with that, again we're all grasping at straws, but it feeds back into when the Parade starts, we're all going to be surprised to some degree.

     

     

     

    Gee, that takes me right back to the fourth grade and the pictures we used to draw surreptitiously in class when terminal boredom set in, which it did more often than not.

    The additional weapons, or even worse, dual main gun turrets, are always the halmark of bored student or doesn't know much about tanks design.

     

    Addendum to photos:

     

    Those are interesting.  I wonder why the first one has mistmatched roadwheels? Front also just looks weird in relation to the building.

     

    Still.  Haven't seen them before at least.

  9. Re: Field repairs

     

    Blown track or roadwheels are potentially do-able in real life, but only in the "things are pretty minor" damage, like it's just one or two links.  If the tank was in motion when it lost track, or the damaged piece is pretty well and truly mauled* it'll likely take hours to fix without significant help from mechanics. 

     

    *The brits used to send out their recovery crews with C4 and other demolitions to shortcut their way through removing track that had been damaged to the point where it wasn't going to just come apart any more.  Most countries use various cutting torches, but this should give you an idea that recovering a battle damaged tank can be very difficult.

     

    Re: Bridges

     

    Could be neat, but the codiing effort would be significant, and I haven't seen many terrain features that AVLBs would be well suited for.  Given their length they're much more intended as a ditch crossing tool, then getting across a river.  

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    They do exist. There is at least one :)

    At least one of "something" 

     

    It could be a T-90 hull with a new engine, and a mockup turret.  That's really the trick of Armata watching is just what it is now, what it will be in production, and the ability of the Russians to accomplish getting it into service are all variables we don't have much visibility on except for "these are all things that need to be thought about."

     

    Re: BMP3

     

    South Korea remained pretty ambivalent about them too.  They certainly had the money to get more , and when received they were the only modern IFVs they had (the K200 being their chief APC at the time, which is more or less just an AIFV/ULTRA M113), but outside of receiving them never sought to acquire more.  The T80Us also have...I'm not sure.  When my unit did a combined gunnery before I arrived, we had to build in a lot more "easy" targets (like upscaled or close range targets, and the T80 equipped unit had to cease fire fairly often because they couldn't acquire targets given range conditions.  

     

    I am not sure how much of this was the platform, simply because unlike most gunneries, this gunnery was the ROK giving us what they needed to shoot vs a ROK tank company showing up to our range.  The K1 and K1A1 equipped units were however able to complete our range with the normal sized targets at normal range. They also did not need to cease fire because there was too much smoke or dust in the air.

     

    I really wanted to visit the Russian equipped ROK units but they're not stationed near the DMZ, and my attempts to go all never made it beyond the "maybe."  The mech infantry officers I talked to who used the BMP3 all said they liked the K21 better, but again I'm not sure if that was "better because it's Korean" or "K21 was a newer vehicle" or "The BMP3 is a deathtrap and I am so happy I never have to sit in one again"

     

    Either way they're continuing domestic production, and their stuff looks more western than Russian influenced.  

  11. I would totally and entirely discard the Armatas as the next Black Eagle given what's going on now except for the Russians have been so damned insistent that the Armata is coming.  

     

    I'm by no means certain that it's going to exist, but I'm inclined to think there's going to be a "Something" vs just cricket noises when all the various AFVs roll by May 6th or whatever, and there's no Armatas.  This might be anything from the Armata being a much less ambitious upgrade that's been touted, to it's similar to many of the other Russian ultratech designs that never get past a few prototypes, to Dear Virginia, there is a Santa Claus and he is Russian.   

     

    Right now there's nothing that out and out rules out the Russian "truth" that there's Armatas, and they're going to be in service.  But there's no proof they exist as promised either. If the promised day comes and goes with no Armata, or it's just a T-72 hull with a new engine, then got it.  If ultratech looking tanks roll down the road, and plywoodium is not in evidence, then we've got more to talk about.

     

    Think T-90 and T-72 upgrades until infinity are more likely though.  

  12. Haha oh god.  My poor driver would haven't lasted more than a week.  As much as I tried to help (and got politely told by my gunner to please stop touching things), I still usually did no more maintenance on the tank than while hopping up onto the turret, asking my gunner or loader (whoever was on there when I mounted) "how's she looking?" then plopping my CVC on (tbh I'd rather have been on the tank than the meeting/briefing/whatever I'd just come from).

     

    Trying to picture a two man crew keeping a modern tank running is pretty comedic, let alone the one poor CO/PL's driver hacking away at it.

  13. <HUMOR BASED ON FORBIDDEN TOPIC REDACTED> 

     

    Additionally those high tier C2 nodes, if they existed, would have still only done so much, more relevant to the degrading of the Iraqi system was more kinnectic strikes against the node/sensor assets themselves as wire repair is hardly something complex or long term, but new swimming pools where radars and bunkers used to be are harder to undo.

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    I just can't figure out who I like more, him or Mattis

     

    They're both amazing.  Less deciding who's better, more imagining a Cold War era MTOE Armor division (with modern platforms) under McMasters, with Mattis running a MEF in support.

     

    I don't think the world is ready, or able to contain that much violence of action.  We'd have splice Patton and Chesty Puller's DNA to be their Corps commander though.  

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    PS. panzersaurkrautwerfer “RUSSIA IS SUPERIOR BUT I AM NOT GOING TO BE POLITICAL SO I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THE FACT THEY ARE SUPERIOR.  ALLOW ME TO INSERT SOMETHING ABOUT HOW SMART RUSSIANS ARE INTO A TOPIC ABOUT PUFF THE MAGIC RUSSIAN TANK THAT IS TOTALLY REAL AND MY BEST FRIEND YOU JUST CANT SEE HIM.” What you mean is the US, Germany whatever.. is superior regardless of any evidence in any field from anyone.. ..  ;). Maybe we are just seeing a repeat of the Cold War, to quote the US Army “The myth of Soviet inferiority in this sector of arms production that has been perpetuated by the failure of downgraded T-72 export tanks in the Gulf Wars has, finally, been laid to rest. The results of these tests show that if a NATO/Warsaw Pact confrontation had erupted in Europe, the Soviets would have had parity (or perhaps even superiority) in armour”

     

     

    No.  What I meant is injecting some comment about education systems is functionally irrelevant to the discussion, then claiming to not want to get into a political discussion.  Russian life expectancy is lower than American life expectancy thereby American fighter planes are vastly superior, but I don't want to get into a discussion about how much better life is in America effectively etc.  

     

    Russian hardware isn't "bad" insofar as much as it's "budget."  What I've handled that wasn't third party production generally did again, what it was advertised but there's a wide difference between contemporary western and Russian night optics despite them both saying "night vision" on the box.  Further a lot of the fit and finish stuff I handled was lacking, in places that really needed a steel retention cable there was a cheap fabric strap.  Screws stripped on fairly new pieces of equipment with manual force only.  Corners were clearly cut, and this is something that's consistent with other technical intelligence written on Soviet/Russian hardware.  

     

    Will the Aramata be good?  Sure.  Maybe.  But right now we're going into this discussion with the following facts known for sure:

     

    1. There is a Russian armored vehicle program called Armata.

     

    There's a lot more information of a pretty wide range of assumption, claims, and wild guesses, but we do not even know what the vehicle looks like, is armed with, and so forth.  Which is why I'm getting tired of hearing about the Armata, because honestly at this point I could just claim that it is armed with dual 152 MM autocannons that fire literal beehive rounds (As in hives full of bees) because there's equal parts evidence that it has a two man crew and radar guidance.

     

    My incredulity isn't that Russia can design a threat tank, it's that they'll be able to build it.  The thing that killed the previous generation of new Russian designs was economic troubles.  Armata was conceived of and designed during good economic times and high oil prices.  It's supposed to be produced during some of the worst times the Russian economy has faced, and it's being done in a way that's apparently more or less totally ready for Private Strelok to drive out of the factory several months from now, despite the world at large not knowing anything except for a name, and that honest guys, it exists.  

     

    Further looking at the performance of the other elements of the recent Russian rearmament programs in terms of the shortfallings of the T-72B, the limited procurement of new rifles and other equipment, and especially the very troubled Russian Air Force efforts, it's clear someone is making some budgetary choices, or things are running out.

     

    Does this mean Armata is just another Black Eagle or T-95?  Who knows!  Either way we'll all know more in a few months.  But here's some things we can easily take from this discussion:

     

    1. The Economist's ranking of Russian schools has absolutely nothing to this topic, and it was pointless to bring it up.

     

    2. Armata does not exist in any reasonable way to be included in CMBS in the near future.

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