VladimirTarasov
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26 minutes ago, Vanir Ausf B said:
Let's say the EU invades the UK under the pretext of protecting the repressed Scots. Steve, under what conditions do you think Russia would NOT intervene?
LOL
I almost spilled my warm cup of milk.
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20 minutes ago, cbennett88 said:
How about... The UK leaves the EU... and the resulting turmoil and bickering lead to the dissolution of NATO? Fits in with today's headlines.
Would be great for Russia
how ever that's not happening. I doubt the EU will let the UK leave so easy, they're already talking about a second referendum :/
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12 minutes ago, kinophile said:
Funnily, you're quite close to the strategic background of a campaign I'm working on (have I mentioned this enough times already? :P). Im working on the same idea of a sudden Donbass offensive towards Melitopol, reacting to serious UA initiiated local assaults, with the attack as a dangerous front that distracts the UA with the possibility of a major victory (ie cutting off the Russian spearhead.).
This throws the Donbass separatists to the wolves, as essentially a strategic decoy. Using them on the offensive burns them out as a military force (preventing them from becoming a threat later on) and saves using too many Russian troops while totally focusing Ukraine's attention on a possible glorious military victory.
Then the Russians invade in the north east.
Why NATO doesn't intervene is the hydra headed problem I'm wrestling with.
Steve, under what conditions do you think would NATO NOT intervene?
The main one I can think of is a combative, aggressive UKR actively destabilizing the Donbass line further (ie playing into Putin's hands in reaction to the constant local harrasment). This despite repeated NATO pleas to back off and calm down.
What else could do it?
You're campaign is quite realistic then, however the Donbass armies wont be totally destroyed, they'll probably go on the defensive after such a diversion offensive. And wait for Russian forces to relieve them, from Crimea and also ones that will deploy into Donbass. How ever everything else sounds pretty good, and honestly I don't think NATO would respond to a invasion like this against Russia.
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1 hour ago, Battlefront.com said:
Russia doesn't have the military strength to do more than take on the Baltics. Blitzing into Poland would only hasten the military defeat of Russia and the resulting internal collapse to follow. I've run the numbers on a Russian invasion of Ukraine many times and I don't think there's a chance in Hell they would come out on top even against the initially poorly led and disorganized post-Maidan Ukrainian state, but against Poland it would be near instant suicide. First of all, they would have to get through the Baltics first and that would be messy. Second, by the time the Russians massed their forces to go into Poland would be about the same time that NATO's heavy stuff would be in place within Germany and Poland. Russia would also likely have near zero air cover. It would be a slaughter of epic proportions. 10s of thousands of Russian casualties vs. thousands.
If NATO does not get involved and Russia is to attack Ukraine. You can expect Russian forces to mass up in Donbass over a few nights with concealment operations. Once DPR/LPR start their operation and Ukraine sends troops to counter this. Russian forces will break through the borders heading for Kharkov and then a group through the north east this one heading to threat Kiev. I don't think Russian forces would consider crossing the Dnieper river through the center as it would leave exposed areas.
How ever thrusts to Kiev can be achieved in short time if Ukraine sends in forces to counter Donbass as they did before, which will leave alot of exposed assaults for the Russian armed forces to exploit. Attacks from Crimea as well as Russian naval dominancy in the immediate vicinity of Ukraine will also speed up operations.
I don't know how long it would take for NATO to get plans and logistics together to be able to get to Kiev and the Dnieper river to halt Russian forces if they declared war. You probably know better than me on this, how long do you estimate? Panzer your input would be nice here too. Or any of you military guys.
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Overwhelm your enemy from flanks or multiple directions with firepower.
Basically you cause panic on your opponent, and you can exploit this.
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35 minutes ago, kinophile said:
Ive tried the Squad-Platoon-Compsny progression of assault, ie only go where a smaller unit has gone before. But it's slow.
Yeah I agree, I've experimented with exactly that even though it went well if I would have advanced with the whole platoon I could have gotten things done better and faster.
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39 minutes ago, panzersaurkrautwerfer said:
There's likely a "invade Russia" file somewhere. Just as there's still likely a "invade Canada" plan. Talking practically though the presence of these plans is not indicative of a desire to invade either, or the practicality of it, but instead purely a "what if we DID have to do this?" exercise intended to have some sort of plan to start from in the event Russia's nukes all hit their expiration date, Putin reveals himself to be an alien warlord, and he's fueled by virgin sacrifice and we're obligated to go in or something. It's not a default course of action for war, especially a limited war with Russia.
Good points in your argument, the alien warlord made my wife wonder if I was ok
good laughs.
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2 minutes ago, Sublime said:
Uh no we didnt engineer any coup in Kiev. And the Donbass is a very small part of Ukraine as a whole. So whilst the stories whether true or not of crucified babies and all that are true or not ( you tell me. How reliable do you find RT? I dont believe a single word fox news says and nor rlly msnbc and yet I cant think of anytime they showed something their government was denying then they edited and reedited once it was clear it wasnt missed. I mean I guess (?) This may be an improvement over Russia doing the equivalent of a childs temper tantrum and holding its ears and screeching when in the Soviet era people would vanish from photos once they were out of favor.
No babies were crucified by the Ukrainian government, stop quoting irrelevant people's claims. I am not those people, I'm just saying the truth I promise I'm no Russia fan boy I know our policies very well and do disagree with it in some areas. The US and EU spent bunch of money on investing into the Ukrainian media in order to make sure that people are well under propaganda. But sooner or later someone is gonna start getting tired of the economic situation in Ukraine, where is their EU now? All those people killed in Kiev for nothing. For God's sake we had Senator John McCaine standing next to the far right group of Ukraine, which was the most violent in Kiev revolts, and Senator John said "America is with you."
12 minutes ago, Sublime said:And my comments on the su 24 buzzing the ship have nothing at all to do with it having missiles. It was very unprofessional at that speed and level a strong crosswind or twitch of the hand or even the pilot not seeing an extra high antenna and wham you have 2 dead russians and a lot of dead Americans.
The closest the pilot got was 40-60 feet from the plane, as you can see nothing happened to the ship no need to worry. It won't happen either, Russian pilots know what they are doing.
13 minutes ago, Sublime said:And dont flaunt or throw your military about on my borders? Lmao man. The Russians reintroduced the games of chicken not the west.
Nonesense, both sides have been doing such things, since the Cold War. Russian pilots take it a bit more extreme than US pilots do how ever I will agree with you there.
14 minutes ago, Sublime said:I wonder how you guys would have reacted to US planes buzzing your TU95s flying off our coast dangerously close and if we buzzed your ships in the Baltics or the Atlantic. International waters are international waters.
You have all rights to do so.
14 minutes ago, Sublime said:And actually the US military freely admits that even precision munitions nor any munition is 100 percent accurate. We.ve never claimed that. And dude iron bombs... yes they may hit. They may miss by 5m. Which is still a big margin of error. But you can find plenty of footage of Russian attack helos doing level dumb bomb attacks. Even in a Su25 the only reason I could see risking flying level and accuracy that you could gain a lot out of by diving would be enemy air defenses. The Syrian insurgents arent shooting or hitting at least anyones planes. And Mi24s dont have bomb guidance computers. Do you contend that a mi24 flying over a city in level flight dropping bombs is aiming at a particular target or even has a error zone of less than 5m? Id say thats impossible.
Do you suggest the Russian air force to some how be able to uber accurately target groups hiding in Urban environments? Work is being done with what is at hand. BTW rebel groups have targeted Syrian air craft and successfully hit them fore flying so vulnerable. Russian helicopters are still doing fine because of the tactics you seen in footage, that low flying is keeping them from MANPAD threats, while also being able to accurately target without GPS guided munitions or computers. MI-28s and KA-52s have been used as well, but you see Russia hasn't deployed MI-28s and KA-52s on mass as they have MI-24s to Syria.
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8 minutes ago, Sublime said:
Id say this is already way worse than Libya 2.0 and there hasnt even been a regime change yet.
Oh and we supported the people overthrowing the government in Ukraine. Key thing there. We supported the PEOPLE. Thats different than supporting a state that broke up peaceful protests by mass murder. Assad brought this bs on himself. Barrel bombs and giggling about dead countrymen as a result of his actions. A despicable character.
No you supported a violent riot that killed police, and even killed people in this riot. I am lost at words if you are saying that the US did right in Kiev, This just justifies my beliefs personally to me even more. Assad did not bring any of this BS to himself, how ever I'm not willing to go into detailed argument over the how the conflict started. I'm just defending Russia against very bias comments against it. If you say you supported the people in Syria, we've supported the people in Ukraine which has been not allowed to speak its own language and been shelled and murdered by a regime they had no say in! But anyways I'm going off topic and probably shouldn't have but it really angers me that the US gets away with exactly what it is accusing Russia of.
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5 minutes ago, LUCASWILLEN05 said:
Syria has been an ally of Russia/Soviet Union for a long time, certainly since he 1960s. From a Westrnpoint of view Syria might in many ways be regarded as a client state. Maybe you would regard a country like Souh Korea in the same wayalthough the US regards them as an ally.
In the Middle East Syria gives the Black Sea Fleet naval basing facilities at Latakia and other port. From a wider perspective Russia lost Iraq as an ally following he fall of addam Hussein..Perhaps certain diplomatic approaches have been made to Baghdad with a view to re-establishing an allianc.The Maliki government may not be too keen on the US but perhapsnot keen on Russia either. However thir Shi'ite bretheren in Iran seem to be a differen matter. Iran also tends to support Assad and goups like Hezbollah. It is all a very tangled and volatile scorpion's nest at the moment
Exactly why Russia supports our ally Syria. If the Syrian government is toppled it is Libya 2.0, and Russia now lost its port and influence in the region yet again to groups that are supported by the US.
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10 minutes ago, LUCASWILLEN05 said:
Regarding Yugoslavia you forgetthet that the Serbs were close to committing genocide inKossovo whenNATO intervened.
I'm only replying to this because the other things is just a repeat of what is said over and over
Sure the Serb forces have committed genocide in the conflict, how ever your media never focused on the genocides committed by Albanians, Croatians, Bosnians against the Serbs as well. This does not justify what the Serbs did at all, how ever it does show how hypocritical one's government can be.
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1 hour ago, LUCASWILLEN05 said:
I think everybody here undersands Russia is trying to prop up Assad and secure your naval basng rightsat Latakia.Let's be honest thoseare Russia's reall motives for intervening in Syria. Perhaps however we should be discussng this on the CMSF forum?:-)
That too, also we need an ally in the middle east, Iran is good and all but that's not gonna cut it.
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2 hours ago, Battlefront.com said:
Have you considered that the US doesn't share intel with Russia because Russia is most likely going to pass the information onto the murderous tyrant that Russia is there to support? And in this case the US did warn the Russians off the target and Russia decided to attack it anyway with a second mission. I wonder what would happen if the US tried to strike one of Russia's supported non-Syrian rebel groups?
QuoteOh please, Murderous tyrant? Sounds alot like justifications against Saddam and Qaddafi. How ever the case here is very different, I'm not going to get into an argument over who is a murderous tyrant and who isn't but when Russia supports peoples against regime in Kiev its bad but when US does it in Syria its all good? Both these events are very different but what you are doing here is very hypocritical. No offense of course, I'm not insulting you, I'm just saying.
2 hours ago, Battlefront.com said:No, this is incorrect. Russian MoD says 100% targets hit accurately and 0 civilians killed. It also says it is not using cluster munitions at all, not to mention over populated areas. Both have also been proven to be outright lies. Which, funny enough, Russian media accidentally uncovered, then tried to cover up, then uncovered again when it was clearly unable to undo the damage: http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a21451/russian-tv-accidentally-shows-cluster-bombs-in-syria/
Sure, I don't get why the RT would hide the cluster bombs, they are needed against such large groupings of targets. As the article says 352 cassettes if it has a 1% dud rate it'll leave 4 non exploded cassettes. In a war where terrorists are holding people in cities which are war zones, and expecting the government of Syria to some how be able to fight them head on into a urban environment without the use of other support weaponry is very childish. If these rebel groups are keeping people in the area they operate then this is their fault. The US in the beginning claimed no civvies were killed by their coalition in the anti ISIS war look at this https://airwars.org/ it also shows their claim on Russian collateral damage, how ever the US coalition isn't clean on this too, even with their 100% "precision" munition usage.
3 hours ago, Battlefront.com said:Russia has no claim to international waters and buzzing a US warship could be seen as an act of war. The US warship was within it's international rights to shoot down the Russian aircraft. So clearly you do not understand how serious the Russian act of aggression is in legal terms or common sense terms. Again, what do you think the Russian behavior would be if the US buzzed a Russian naval vessel in international waters near a NATO country? Oh, like anywhere in the Baltic for example?
I mean we are one country with 28 countries now going hostile towards us over us annexing Crimea with a popular vote... And then you have Russia being grilled over supporting Russian/Ukrainian people in Ukraine but US is actively doing or did such things in Libya, Afghanistan, Syria and where else? Oh yeah Yugoslavia. So of course if a ship is going to be going to a drill in the Baltics 70 kilometers away from Russian bases, you'll have a Russian plane flying around you in international air space. The Russian jet buzzed the US ship close with no on board missiles, and the radars on the US ship would be able to detect emissions from these missiles if they were on. The US naval ship did not feel threatened, so they did not engage the air plane. How ever if you felt more threatened than the US ship I don't know what to tell you. The captain of the ship probably felt "annoyed" more than threatened.
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11 hours ago, Sublime said:
Vlad no offense but I dont believe anything official from the Russian MoD and everything from the US DoD with a grain of salt but being the evil capitalist American I am I still generally believe what they say though I do not doubt they will spin things or try to keep certain things in the back of newspapers.
I don't believe the US DoD the same way you don't believe the Russian MoD how ever Al-Tanf is 300 kilometers away from agreed no target zones. And if the US will not share any information than we will bomb these groups. As they are not apart of the government of Syria or apart of the groups that are allied with the government of Syria.
11 hours ago, Sublime said:However the US DoD still doesnt outright lie and say things like every airstrike made hit 100 percent of the targets 100 percent of the time no dead civilians. The clusterfuk that is the Kunduz Hospital incident was all over our news and is still in it.. whilst I believe its the Russian MoD that made that outrageously idiotic claim.
The Russian MoD claim for 100 percent of targets is saying all missions are against viable targets, as you can see in footage, dumb bombs sometimes deviate 10 meters or so to the right or left and even if it was said that it's 100% accuracy people in Russia can watch RuAF footage, in which sometimes the bomb misses its target. Civvies will die either way, if a JDAM is dropped in an urban environment no matter how much precision it has it's still a large bomb, shrapnel and the shockwave can kill civvies. Russia uses dumb bombs with similar explosive power, simply because we don't have the luxury of JDAM type weapons in large numbers.
11 hours ago, Sublime said:My worry isnt that Putler or America wants war. My worry is that the decidedly idiotic practices that the Russian military is doing... just for $hits and giggles could realllly get out of hand. For example buzzing the Donald Cook in the Black Sea. Those planes were waaaay to close. I dont think Americans would like it very much if a Russian plane kamikazied into a US ship and even if it was an accident there.d be absolute outrage and a feeling of we.ve been bringing this up to you endlessly for a few years and you guys keep poo pooing us about it. Not to mention between 911 and WW2 i think Americans kind of have a... sensitive spot to uh airplanes crashing into stuff full of Americans. So even if its perhaps subconcious an Su 24 slamming into a US ship would have consequences. Seriously if it didnt Id lose any remaining respect I have for our government leadership and their testicular fortitude. I dont mean attack Russia but just shrugging and saying oh sorry accident. No.
The Russian military doesn't have idiotic practices, if the US will send a ship 70 kilometers from a Russian base in international waters, you will have a SU-24M flying around you in international waters. Was the airplane too low? Yes, but don't come near my borders with your show of power.
11 hours ago, Sublime said:And what about Turkey? Lets say another Su24 gets shot down for infringing on NATO airspace. Hows Putler going to save face?
If the SU-24 actually violates Turkish air space, then I'll support the Turks. How ever if it is shot down say 1-2 kilometers away from the Turkish border heading westwards then I'd expect to see TU-160s and TU-95s dropping very long range cruise missiles at military targets.
11 hours ago, Sublime said:And in fact I doubt Russia will ever be a superpower again.
The US is the only superpower you can be proud of it, how ever Russia does not care. We have our own interests, our own goals, and our own country's problems to worry about. If certain countries will mess with our goals and interests, we have enough power to defend ourselves, or be able to defend our interests.
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41 minutes ago, kinophile said:
Do you have details on that exercise? What was the premise? What was the situation that lead to nuclear escalation?
To be clear, I wasn't saying Russia shoukd not run such exercises, from a moral standpoint or something. It absolutely should run such exercises, in the military and political training sense. I'm certain the US/UK/FRA do.
I'm not in the mood to go digging for a link, but it was a regular nuclear drill, nothing really special about it.
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52 minutes ago, General Melchid said:
Illuminating response, so theoretically there could be a few days of conventional push and shove on a border before the nuclear option was deemed necessary?( after conventional forces collapse)
I highlight this is all just wind-bagging and I don't expect you to be official Kremlin spokesman
I can't tell you exactly, however the faster NATO formations are targeted the better, how ever I don't think NATO will be able to invade Russian territories, without having taken heavy losses, which will obviously not be supported by the general public of those countries. And if it does happen, and tactical nukes are not taken into account we have a large reserve of 2 million men.
Edit: guess who wrote republic instead of public.
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I'll just add on hopefully no one bashes my brains in for it
Nuking Warsaw drill: I'm sure every country has plans for nuking countries in scenarios. I'm sure that the US has run simulations on nuking Moscow, it's not a big deal nor would nuking another country's city with a strategic nuke be justified in Russia unless said country is in Russia destroying cities.
Definitely tactical nukes will be used by Russia in the event NATO breaches Russian borders and is not able to be stopped by conventional means. Then missile systems like short range ballistic missiles like Iskandar-Ms or cruise missiles with nuclear warhead versions of the missiles will attempt to hit near by NATO logistics, bases, and groupings threatening the Russian lands, in an attempt to force NATO away from entering Russia. I don't know if NATO will respond to that with nuclear weapons but assuming a nuclear war is not wanted, I don't think NATO would escalate further unless political leaders really want global destruction.
This is how ever assuming NATO is able to is able effectively launch a offensive that is able to break through Russian defenses, into Russia's borders, and effectively be able to threaten Russia further. This has nothing to do with Vladimir Putin being a "crony" or "dictator" according to some. This is common sense, and obviously Russia will defend itself to the fullest in an event any country enters our borders.
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Guys I don't think one should worry about a incident like this, according to Russian MoD the US government didn't list that area in the no strike zone. And because of this incident the US and Russia will now increase cooperation in Syria further like mapping out areas. Obviously rebels backed by the US have been fighting Assad's regime, since the beginning of the conflict. And when these so called "rebel" groups are finished with ISIS they will eventually fight the SAA. So not listing zones that are being operated by US backed rebels will result in "accidents" like this. Russia has honored the US' call for halting operations in Aleppo to allow rebels to seperate from Al-Nusra. Thus making the SAA lose the advantage and even resulted in losses of territories. Either way, I don't see Russia or the US going to war against each other in Syria.
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LOL I thought my service was hard.
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Yeah would be good if we could choose for M1s to not be equipped with laser warning systems.
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3 minutes ago, Codename Duchess said:
They tend to hit us with our "General Military Training" videos all in one day so they blend together and remind me that I could be flying but noooo. I understand the importance of them the first time* but it's usually a pretty soul crushing day of the month, especially since I don't use tobacco, ride motorcycles, or rape things.
Did you guys have anything like that in the Russian Armed Forces? I.e. safety briefings on random things unrelated to your job. I often wonder these things.
*As an officer it's more about knowing how to help your guys rather than worry about yourself although you'd be surprised.
Well it isn't a bad thing to be hit by that in the Russian military we have potato peel sessions
In the Russian military you can be asked to do anything, such as paint the sidewalks paint the walls. In the VDV we didn't really have any safety power points that were not related except for a few "Don't be drunk" notices maybe we did and I forgot.
Most of our briefings well at least for my unit was stuff like how to operate as a unit. And then we'd be taken to the live training and we'd have that one lame guy training us he'd explain things quickly and then be like "Any questions?" and before anyone could say "Yes I do" we'd start the drill
God forbid you did something like shoot the gun when fellow troops are ahead of you. Someone made that mistake and he was "disciplined" on the spot.
However, I'm sure the Russian Air Force probably has similar powerpoints to yours. In Russia we have some things that are quite extra and not needed, so it wouldn't surprise me if VDV now has power points like "Don't eat Vodka and do a parachute drop" or maybe the instructor goes through a lame list of what not to do.
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7 minutes ago, Codename Duchess said:
Obviously you've never had to sit through 6 hours of "Don't get drunk off tobacco and rape a motorcycle" power points.
They made you watch that in the Navy?
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Russia has no population support in eastern Europe, Russian people in Estonia or Latvia are generally together with the government(although it may change). So Russia will not be annexing any territories there, most of the Baltics are already anti-Russia due to governments who are basically blasting anything Russian as "That is evil." I have enough Latvian and Estonian friends who tell me so. Kaliningrad was taken from Germany, say its wrong but Germany took away close to 30 million of our people. The Russian nuclear threat is very real, and I know our doctrines quite better than most. If NATO launches an air campaign into Kaliningrad it will be tried to dealt with by air defenses in country. How ever if NATO brigades start rolling up through Poland into Kaliningrad then you can expect tactical nuclear missiles to hit positions.
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Well either way annexed or not, If NATO will invade Russian borders our nuclear doctrine is defensive, nothing you or I can do about it. Nukes will fly, how ever these nukes will probably be tactical to destroy an offensive into Russian borders. And depending on NATO it will either end the war to avoid a strategic nuclear war or it will escalate to a full on nuclear war.
I almost spilled my warm cup of milk.
CINCUSAREUR concerned about Russian rapid deployment and interior lines
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I can only pay 250 dollars, sanctions hurt my income please lower the price, how ever it is a brilliant idea. Let's all PM Steve about it maybe he can put it on schedule. The commander of these forces should be prime minister David Cameron, with the goal of taking out Farage's henchmen.
Im dead at the moment dude this is gold.