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Accuracy is relative. An PPSH41 in full auto mode empty his 71 rouds drum magazine in "a car door minute of angle" at 100 meters. (never tried longer distances). Also, SMG ammo powder charge and barrel lenght are usualy greater than their pistol counterpart. this increase the effective range. But ppsh41 is sort of an exception: very high rate of fire, heavy (but not as heavy as a thompson SMG ^^), about no recoil (thompson SMG have much!), a real full lenght rifle stock, good sight (for a SMG)... it's not a "SMG" by today standards, more a carbine that fire buffed pistols rounds.

Thank You ^^ OK for 20mmAP ammo and T34 ^^ You got the key: standard round. I don't know, but maybe the "DP" machinegun mounted on soviets armored cars have mixed ammo? AP, incendiary, ect? small stories: I made an experiment a the range, one day... I have a K98k, and about 5-6 reloaded 8x57ammo with old piercing bullet. (old WW2 ammo "from the wood" a bit rusted you can find in France ^^ We usually take away the case, primer and powder, re-use only the bullet. But I know some folks that re-use the powder too "they a 2 sort of german powder" they say. I prefer not trying ^^) at 100m, on a 30mm thick plate at 90° ( "creusabro" steel: best quality) they make a crater about 5mm width and you can see the "penetrator", a small hard stell stick, stuck in the middle oh this crater. I paint again the plate and continue firing "standard" ammo. And surprise! An lucky bullet hit the same crater a previous penetrator was stuch and... push it right trough! I have a small hole, ~4mm from side to side of my 30mm plate. Oh! and another day: - cops: "Hello! We have receiving our new armor plate for our cars. Can you give it a try on this one?" - We: "Yes! (chic-chic!)" place the plate at the 100m range. * .22lr: some paint is gone. Maybe. * .308? (I don't remember): a small dent * .300winchester magnum: Oh! that's a big dent! - We: Ok, next step, AP ammo! - Cops: Hehe, no thanks, that's all we have to know, standard ammo won't penetrate, it's OK. - We: Oooooooh (disapointed)

But I agree that the campaing is too big for me at this stage. And I was a CMBB player. I first play the small and one medium scenarios, and now play kick battles small and try medium. Another possibility is a "small" campaing, not in terms of number of scenarios or scenarios length, by in terms of map size (only small-medium allowed) and team size (idem). I would like having some "progressive" altough non-historics things, like a story from a soviet partizan leader that start whit 4-5 teams (mostly armed civilians, but some soldiers too) for night assaults on germans, retreive some rifles and ppsh from soviet army air landing (can equip some more mens), take a mortar or 2 (hidden by civilians partsans at the germany advance), ect, ect And finally, go in some medium battles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_partisans

These "scenarios" are way too small. It's OK for a tutorial experience, no more. I personally have liked the "night assault" scenario on a ganger whe have in the core game: small, but funny, and tense: The first time you try it, you have a real feeling of an unknow ennemy, your casualties to manage, and an objective to accomplish. And a small team easy to manage (4-5 squad if I remember correctly) More like these, with progessive addition of some "buff", armors, ect will be good. Having only a tank or only an half squad is too boring.

Thanks I can stop worrying about the cowardice of my germans ^^

Hello! I recently try some "quick battles", and, I renconter an funny situation: - urban little card, my side is german, 6x7.92mm armoreds cars, 6x20mm armoreds cars. - The soviets have about 20x7.64mm armored cars and... 2 T34: a T34/76 and a T34/85. (surprise, surprise!) I managed to destroy about 15 soviets armored cars (not a big deal apart manoeuvring from the T34, these soviets cars don't shot at all at my cars unless some rare bursts), and lost 2 cars by the T-34 (1x20mm and 1x7.92mm). I ran out of 20mmAP ammo from my cars (they dont have many in beginning, something like 60xAP cartridges and 90xHE), and end the game (cease-fire). After looking at the map, I found that the 2 T34 to have destroyed optics and radios, and bad whells. Is that all I can expect from 20mmAP? Is there a possibility to take out of action a T34 with 20mmAP, or these tanks are invulnerable to that sort of ammo? And is the german armoreds cars totally invulnerable to 7.64mm ammo too? I'm curious. (and bad in english, sorry )