tomcat14a

Thanks for the games guys I have a few now:) I will repost when I finish:)

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerkampfwagen-iv.htm#panzer4

How does it lack in mobility? It has an average road speed of 43km/h compared to the standard StuG III's 43, it also has the advantage of a turrnet compared to the StuG, it was also robust and reliable, so how does it lack in those regards? Much like the sherman or the t-34 it was a good all round tank deployed, and its combat records prove that. If you want high speed and good gun go with the puma, with its 50mm canon, but for a tank it will either be the Pz IV or III.

The StuG was in no way a tank it was classed as a SPG not a tank which means it could never be an effective medium tank, although it did great as a tank destroyer later in the war. The Pz IV would be the tank you are referring to, good variations of it, good gun especially in the later models, good armour for a medium tank and all round a good tank. It was even built in good numbers but too few to take on so much of the enemy at once. The Pz III and Pz IV were both built from the beginning of the war all the way through and proved both effective tank and infantry killers. The Pz III during Barborossa did lack the large gun to take on the T-34 at any range, but that was quickly upgunned to the 50mm, while the Pz IV's calibre was upped quickly after the fall of France. So all and all the Pz IV would have been the best choice for Germany in terms of a medium tank, while they should have left the Tiger, King tigers, Jadgtigers, and the elephants and produced more Pz IV's and other tank destroyers like the Jadgpanther, hetzer, stug, or the even more 88mm AT, and AA variant field guns. This topic should really be Sherman vs Pz IV vs T-34. Since they are all in the same class.

Hey if anyone wants a game, just email away. IT will have to be by PBEM, I perfer all random games so no one gets an advantage, and the points don't bother me. IF you are interested just send me an email at tomcat14_a@hotmail.com with the 1st turn of the map and we can begin.

The sherman is not a good choice to take on the other tanks chosen in this thread, unless of course we are talking about the 17pdr/76mm Firefly. The shermans standard 75mm although capable of knocking out both of the other tanks was not generally used to take on the heavier tanks like the Panther, that was the Firefly's job. The sherman however was probably the most changed varient of any tanks of the war, being used as DD's, minesweeps, dozers, flammerthrowers, as well as all the funnies used on D'day. While the panther was designed to counter the T-34 both the 76 and the 85. Good cross country capability due to the wide tracks and better in the mechanics side of the things compared to the other german heavy tanks such as the Tiger or the Elephant. But very capable of stopping any Russian or American tank. But she was far from invincible and here frontal armour didn't matter if she came up against an IS heavy tanks. This RUssian tank had the capability to blow the turrent right of the top of the panther, even if the shell didn't penetrate the armour. The T-34 was probably the best all round tank of the war, especially in her role as a medium tank. She was fast, well defended with the sloped armour and very reliable just like the sherman. Many could be made and if I am not mistaken that number was around an estimated 64,000 at wars end through all variants. You cant compare the Panther to the sherman or the T-34, since it was a heavy tank, it is like comparing a Tiger to a t-34, they are wrong weights, there fore different armour, main guns, crew, and naturally differnet roles. But if I had to chose between one, it would be the panther.