Alex
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I found information, in Russian source, about that Syria (and Egypt) was bought soviet 240mm mortars M-240, and more of that was used it in Beirut.
Did some one know some think about this?
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Too bad, that 1.21 had not so many changes, that it needs, and bad that Battlefront was not to hear to this one - http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=89074
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War at 80's. I think it will be very intensive conflict with very big numbers of artillery and air support, and because so, it will be not so very interesting. 1 shoot of SMERCH MLRS and game is over. You don't think so?
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The '80s is good, but old stuff... No BMP3. no T90, no BTR-90, no BMP-T, no Mi28 and more, more else...
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What if CMSF2 is going to star Russia vs. China vs. USA?!?!?!?
Oh ye! Kill them all!!! :-))))
In this scenario all fight will be going only a 24 minuets, until ballistic rocket not arrived to USA/Russia/China :-)
Maybe battle for Crimea? Certainly it's fantastic, but why not?
It can be fairly local, new Ukrainian president rusofob enters in NATO, throw out a Russian black sea fleet and conducts vast persecutions against Russian language and culture as a result there are elemental revolts of opposition at the east of Ukraine, they are cruelly repressed by governmental forces, Russia interferes whereupon, and the Ukrainian president runs for a help to the USA. Did I fantasy something? :-)
And we can got a local but intensive war NATO vs Russia ;-)
Ouch now Ukrainians will "zagnobyat" me :-) It only is fantasies on a theme frigging "moskaley"...
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No no, not China. Don't be afraid, fight this as ;-)
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It is very uncomfortable: then crew leave Toyota pickup (and all another civilian cars too) and it is considered a "destroyed" and can't be used one more time (for example UAZ don't have this BUG).
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hcrof
Yes, I talking about same system but at 152mm artillery shell.
Maybe also should talk about same cluster air bombs with AT elements and also anti-personals cluster air bombs.
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And that about "Excalibur" shell is is in service? Also in Russia have self-targeting antitank cassette shells, how about US?
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I mean for US(Blue) forces. Syria I thing don't have nothing similar.
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Not for Red, but how about new artillery shell type - guided shell with the laser aiming - "Copperhead" for Artillery support, and new artillery task for it.
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It would be nice to see in game new troops animation to "HIDE" command, when the the squad is Hiding, it's good to have different animations to mans who hiding and mans who scanning horizon.
Also it would be interesting to see new animation for binocular, I mean see binocular in hands of trooper.
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Steve
I all understand correctly. Just I suggested not only to change structure of subdivision that we have in game already, but also and went in game some little changes like: NV devices, skill level for scout troops and trucks for some Syrians.
I think that CM is not only main game campings from BF, but also and many players-made campings/scenarios, playing a QB, and of cose MP games.
For example AT and AAA (or trucks) guns maybe not so useful for BF main campings, but it very useful for RED vs RED scenarios or some blue vs red scenarios.
P.S. I understand, that you outlay all resources on Normandy, but SF also good game.
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2 Chainsaw
I was talked about "Afghanistan module"
That about CMSF - yes I can buy it from BF, but I already pay for 2 snowball disks (2 modules) this CM, certainly 1 disk with game in Russia coast about 12$, not 25$ but it's too not so little money, and now I don't wont pay one more time.
But unfortunately British module we also will see not soon (in Russia).
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Looks like you (at west) will not see this game in this year, because looks like we (at Russia) will see it only at the end of this year.
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2 Steve
I understand, that you very busy now, and that BF do a big dial with CM serial, but this suggestion was made by some guys from russian forum, there we searched information, discussed it and forming this suggestion for 2 weeks. And all what you say it's: "thanks but we know what we do" - it's offended, a little. Especial when we both know, that not all moments in game have 100% substantiation under itself.
Well, anyway you did an great game.
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And what about trucks, it too no needs?
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AAA weapons are not something we have prioritized because they aren't likely to be effective in the game
But what kind different between SPG-9 with 5min time to deploy and stationarity AT or AAA gun. I know, that you'll change SPG deploying time, but it was so. AT/AAA gun also may be move away to another position for 5 mints. And ZU-23-2 also can be mounted in to the truck, and it will be a powerful weapon. Maybe you don't think so in US, but in Russia we know it :-)
If someone think, that ZU-23-2 is not dangerous weapon, look this -
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2 Steve
Yes, many things that I suggest it's only my assumption, and I do it based only on a soviet structure and on a logic. Many, but not all.
I wont to ascent only on 5 moments:
1. Disposable grenade launchers - Israelis sad, that Syria have in service RPG-22/26/27 not only RPG-18. It's not 100% argument, but it's something. I just don't understand for what you do RPG-18 in game, it's real syrian TO&E says that AT-3 and AGS-17 crews must have RPG-18?
2. Yes your structure of Syrian army is based not on some fantasy, but not all clear for me. For example: why syrian airborne battalion (or all airborne regiment) don't have recon company or platoon? And i also don understand what sort of missions airborne battalion can do Independently, without heavy weapon?
3. How you can so assured that syria don't have so many worked NV (NSPU-1 or some else) to equipped they recon units or some special forces? I heard here that syria have so old NV devices, that they already not works, but I can say, that russian army too have some very old NSPU in servis and it works. I don't say, that all syrian troops mast have NV, but some elite subdivisions can have same more.
4. Why recon SVDshooter cannot be a marksman? And why recon units must have simply for others skill level?
5. Insurgents - That wrong this my suggestions? the insurgents don't have some clear structure, they can have all that they could.
I wrote long post this many interesting suggestions, but I'm afraid that you will don't attention watch on it, only because it have some bothered moments for you.
And bay the way I also want that CM game was much mo closer to reality not to fantasy.
P.S. I'm not big Arabian lover, or I don't have maniacal ideas, that soviet it's the best in the world, I only want do this game better ;-)
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2 JohnO
Also I hope, that Steve will see and it thread about "starshells"
http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=89263
and this http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=89074 - 1.21 ETA
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Apparently my reasons in behalf on introduction of AGSteams in the complement of mechanized infantry company's, were not convincing. It is sorry, but I hope that at least the AGSteam ammunitions will be turn up on 2 baskets for 29 grenades.
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New Syrian units for NATO module.
The NATO module’s release date is getting closer and many already can’t wait to try out those great (judging from the screenshots) new toys that will give us German, Canadian and Netherlands’ armies. However, the lack of information about new Syrian forces is disturbing, and looking at already released British module, these worries are getting stronger. Of course, the Syrian army is already in the game and is quite detailed, however I would like to make a few suggestions about adding new forces Syrian forces/improving them. Also I will give some arguments for this.
Special forces
Special operations company
Company’s personnel - 91 men.
Company’s transport - 11 UAZ469
+ two mortar crews
Armament:
AK/АКS-74 - 60.
GP-30 - 10.
AKS-74U - 11.
RPK-74M - 9.
PM - 9.
SVD - 2.
RPG-29 - 9.
82mm mortar М1937 - 2.
New sections:
As we can see, because of the way the company is armed, the effective distance of fire at enemy infantry does not exceed 500m (RPK-74/SVD), and the best density of fire will be at distance of no greater than 350-400m (the distance of fire of AK/GP-30). However, the main principle of special forces is to “hit and run”, which means to act from the ambushes. During this sort of combat, special forces must in small amount of time make the maximum effect at the distance which is optimal for suppressing enemy and then fall back. The best way to achieve this is to use main machine guns, however, in CMSF Syrian special forces don’t have such weapon. In Soviet Union and now in Russia PKM machine gun usually was part of the SpecNaz units’ armament, the situation is similar in other armies of the world also.
So, the suggestion itself looks like this:
Add two PKM crews to Special forces company, which will be directly controlled by company’s commander, that is, to make them separate from any of 3 platoons. Every MG team must have two members, one will be armed with 1 PKM and the other with 1 AK-74, the ammo for PKM must not be less than 500. Such increase of the number of members in company won’t need any additional transport, because at the moment there are 4 free seats.
New armament:
I already mentioned the question about disposable grenade launchers that, as I think, they should be more widely used by Syrian forces. But I was always getting the answer from Steve that Syrians has got only very small amount of those. I tried to make a little research and asked Israelis at Russian-speaking military forum www.waronline.org – there are a lot of members who currently serve or already had served in IDF. There I got a short, but clear answer: “yes, Syria has got RPG-18, as well as RPG-22, RPG-26 and RPG-27 and uses them for their main purpose”. Such answer, as I think, points out that:
1. A wide specter of disposable grenade launchers indicates that they are more common in Syrian army than in the game, because it’s hard to imagine that Syrians give such powerful weapon as RPG-26/27 to AT-3 or AGS-17 crews. This weapon is more suited for mobile, better trained strike groups, such as special forces.
2. Disposable grenade launchers are being used by Syrians in similar way as any other armies, that is, combat infantry units use them. Of course I think that the number of disposable RPGs in Syrian army is less than in Soviet army, but in Soviet army every company of almost every infantry element according to TO&E had at least 60 such grenade launchers.
Having in mind all this, I’m suggesting to give RPG-26s and RPG-27s to special forces companies, 1-2 weapons to every squad, or at least 1 to HQ squad.
How about connecting the type of grenade launcher with “Quality” parameter?:
When it’s:
“Poor” - none
“Good” – RPG-26
“Excellent” – RPG-27
Also, as an alternative, when “Quality” is "poor", give 2-4 RPG-26/27s instead of RPG-29 to rifle squads, or maybe RPG-7D against RPG-29.
Also I think that UAZ vehicles must have at least small arms ammunition (5,45 mm), but even better if there will be also some ammo for GP-30 and RPG-29.
Airborne forces
Mechanized Airborne company is one of the best fighting units in the game thanks to BMP-3s, however infantry airborne battalion looks very weak. Its TO&E and armaments are almost identical to structure of Soviet VDV battalion, however Soviet airborne was completely mechanized and had BMD-1/2/3 vehicles, as a result 1 soviet VDV company had a lot more fire power than the Syrian battalion. So, Syrians must compensate this by adding heavy weapons to this type of forces – I mean, MMG and HMG and automatic grenade launchers.
Infantry battalion
Total in battalion:
Men in Airborne battalion - 316.
Transport - none
Airborne battalion armament:
АК/АКS-74 - 185.
GP-30 - 28.
АКS-74U - 86.
RPK-74М - 13.
PM - 14.
SVDS - 18.
RPG-7D3 - 31.
Heavy weapons in infantry Airborne battalion:
ATGM Kornet-E - 2
Recoilless rifle SPG-9 - 2.
Mortar 82mm М1937 - 12.
New guns/sections:
As we can see, the effective distance of fire of such company isn’t longer than 500m (RPK-74/SVD), and the best density of fire can be achieved at the distance no greater than 200-350m (АКS74U/АК74/GP30). However, Airborne are similar to Special forces n their role: they must “hit and run, also they mission is to make swift attacks at the objects of high importance in the enemy rear. To achieve good results, Airborne must have a lot of firepower, and the Syrian battalion in this game lacks it.
I’m suggesting adding to every rifle foot Airborne company heavy weapons platoon that has such weapons in its armament:
3 PKM
2 DShK* x 3 members.
1 AGS-17 x 3 members. (87 VOG-17)
This will have a great effect on their firepower, but won’t make them less mobile.
* Instead of DShK it would be better to make NSV machine guns as they are lighter and more effective.
Also because of already mentioned reasons I’m suggesting adding to rifle sections disposable grenade launchers RPG-18/22 (2 such weapons would be enough for a squad).
When “Quality” parameter is:
“Poor” – RPG-18
“Good” – RPG-18/22
“Excellent” – RPG-22/26
I want to note that in Soviet Union only Airborne company (!) had UP TO 70! RPG-18/22.
New devices.
Airborne forces have a lot better equipment than any other Syrian forces in the game, except Special forces, but nevertheless I want to suggest: when “Quality” is “Excellent” in every rifle squad (where there’s no NV) give the leader 1 NV device NSPU-1, this will allow a better spotting of the enemy. However because of the quality of NSPU-1, night fighting capabilities will still be far behind from special forces’ capabilities.
Mechanized airborne company on BMP-3s
According to Soviet TO&E BMP crews in mechanized Airborne companies had such weapons:
Driver – 1PM and 1 АКS-74U
Gunner - 1 AKS-74
I think that it would be logical to arm Syrian crews in similar way.
Also as with infantry Airborne companies, every squad should get 2-4 RPG-18/22/26 (by putting them inside of BMP-3).
Republican Guards.
Republican Guards are elite Syrian forces, this means their equipment and training are much better, than those of the usual forces. It is made this way in CMSF, but minor points can be tweaked.
New armament:
As I already have mentioned for several times, I suggest to put RPG-18/22 in every BMP-2 (1-2 will be enough).
When Quality is:
“Poor” - RPG-18 or maybe none
“Good” – RPG-18
“Excellent” – RPG-22
New equipment
When “Quality” is “Excellent”, give 1 NV device NSPU-1 to every platoon leader, it will let a little bit easier to detect enemy units. But it won’t make a huge difference, and will still be worse than special forces or US forces.
Recon forces in Syrian army
In every army in the world only best serve in recon, they have a better training than the usual soldiers. This means their skills are higher than the usual infantry soldiers’. Because if this, I ‘m suggesting to make by default Skill level of recce forces +1 in comparison to other troops in combat formation. As I said, recon troops are trained better so it’s logical to give a marksman skill to the guy with SVD. Also it’s logical to have one guy with grenade launcher skill at least in HQ section.
Recon Syrian forces on BRDM-2
In CMSF game such forces consist of HQ section, 1 recon squad and 3! BRDM-2 vehicles. Why there is only 1 recon squad instead of two, I have no idea, moreover that there is one “empty” BRDM-2.
Because of that I’m sure that this is what must be done:
Add 2nd recon squad
New weapons
Usually recon forces act separately from the main body, which needs to have a capability to defend themselves from various dangers on the battlefield, from enemy armour – as well. That’s why I suggest putting in every BRDM-1/2 vehicle RPG/18/22 (1 is enough).
When “Quality” is:
“Poor” – RPG-18
“Good” – RPG-18
“Excellent” – RPG-22
Also I’m sure that at least in one vehicle of recon platoon must be RPG-7/16, this is very true when we’re speaking about BRDM-2 which has shots for RPG-7, but there is no RPG-7 at all?..
In Soviet Union in recon platoons there were AT soldiers armed with RPG-7/16 and disposable RPGs.
I understand that Syria is not Soviet Union, but and RPG-18 it's not nuclear warhead.
New devices
As I said, recon forces act separately from main force’s body, this is why they must be stealthy. To achieve maximum stealth, they often act at nights. But in game none of the recon Syrian forces have NV goggles, which is not logical.
I suggest:
when “Quality” is:
“Poor” – none
“Good” – 1 NSPU-1 for platoon commander
“Excellent” – 1 NSPU-1 for every squad commander; 1 NV-binocular for platoon commander; 1 NSPU-1 for SVD shooter.
Insurgents
To improve capabilities of these forces in game (with references to similar factions in the real world), I suggest this:
New sections:
It would be nice to have a pick-up with automatic grenade launcher mounted on it, it will greatly improve fire capabilities of the insurgents.
In this game, insurgents have heavy weapons mounted on Toyotas, but their principle is to act fast from ambushes, and it’s difficult to hide such a big vehicle in the game (and in real life also). That’s why it would be nice to have dismounted DShK, SPG-9 and AGS-17 as a separate units, and as well as:
I. Heavy AT group
1 х HQ squad – 3 members. (3 АК)
2 х SPG-9 team – 4 members. (3 АК, 1 PM, 1 SPG-9)
II.Heavy weapons group
1 х HQ squad - 2. (2 АК)
2 х DShK team - 4. (3 АК, 1 PM, 1 DShK)
1 х AGS-17 team - 4. (3 АК, 1 Pm, 1 AGS-17)
Maybe and some another combinations.
Judging from reports from various hot spots all over the world – from Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq, Lebanon – it seems that insurgents widely use mortars.
Mortar support
III. Mortar platoon
1 х forward observer – 2 members.(commander and radio operator) (2 АК) (binoculars)
2 х 2 х 82mm mortar crew (М1937)
IV. Mortar section
1 х forward observer – 1 member (radio operator) (1 АК) (binoculars)
1 х 2 х 82mm mortar crew (М1937)
Maybe, it is better to make forward observers as part of bigger teams, maybe that consist of 4-5 men.
Also, it would be interesting to let spies call in artillery support.
New weapons
On that Israeli forum that I already have mentioned I also learned that during last war in Lebanon Hizbullah fighters also used disposable М72 LAW rocket launchers (they probably got them from Lebanese army warehouses), which is why it is OK, imho, to give this weapon and RPG-18 to Syrian insurgents (and not only to AT-3 crews). Of course, the number of these systems must be limited and only when “Quality” is “Excellent”.
Syrian insurgents could also have some small numbers of GP-25/30 under-barrel grenade launchers, when “Quality” is “Excellent”.
P.S. I understand that Syrian army has a lot less disposable grenade launchers than Soviet soldiers had back in the days, and I tried to take this into account, I’m suggesting to give disposable grenade launchers only to elite forces and in smaller quantities than Soviet Army had.
It is possible that somebody will reply that Syrians don’t need disposable grenade launchers when they have RPG-7 in every squad, but my suggestions aren’t fantasies, also, Soviet soldiers had not only RPG-7 in every section, but also up to 6 disposable grenade launchers. Also, nobody argues why US soldiers in the game have not only 4 AT-4(M-136), but also whole Javelin in every section.
Also, when I say NSPU-1 and night vision binoculars, I don’t mean the different 3D mdoel, but different specifications, such as its effective distance.
New units
Also of course I would love to see new units for Syrian army in this lovely game. These could be:
ZiL-131 or Ural-4320 trucks (for infantry without BMP/BTR), also GAZ-66 for airborne forces. It's not only scenery, but also more mobility and ammo repository.
UAZ with roof (“HQ”) for forward observers and HQ units. For example, Brits have a lot of versions of their Landrover in the game.
Static guns:
ZU-23-2 guns.
Also ZU-23-2 mounted on truck for all types of forces (that has it in their arsenal)
Anti-tank guns for territorial defense forces (often not very useful, but sometimes it can be very dangerous)
2А19 (Т-12) "Rapier" 100mm.
S-60 57mm – judging from open sources, Syria has not less than 600 such guns (which is not a small amount).
Also, the Syrians probably aren’t opposed to use these types of weapons, if we look how many of them Syrians have.
And of course, the lovely ZSU-23-4 “Shilka”, which was extensively used in Afghanistan and both wars in Chechnya as infantry support weapon against ground targets.
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These suggestions were made by members of Russian forum http://cmbb.borda.ru/
Please forgive our far from perfect English.
To prepared this suggestions was used SCMF/USMC v1.10, and it can have some mistakes with company/battalion personnel
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Only 1 Challenger can fire smoke shells, but how many another vehicles. But of cores it can be some new button.
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New command - to "ALLOW SMOKE".
Practically all soviet/Russian armored vehicles, with the DIESEL engines, is equipped not only a smoke grenade launchers, but also it have the system of raising of smoke-screens through an exhaust system of engine. The special device is injected a diesel fuel in an exhaust system, as a result thick dove-colored smoke appears in a large volume.
I suggest to enter a new playing command "Allow smoke", analogical a new command "Target smoke" in Britishers, at pressure of this "button", the "button" is stopped up, and a technique begins to emit smoke until then, while this command will not be disconnected a player. Thus, the machine correctly located down wind blow can quickly smoked the necessary area.
I suppose that the similar systems of raising of smoke-screens are present not only on soviet machines.
M-240 mortar in arms of Syria?
in Combat Mission Shock Force 1
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Also I found info about numbers of Syrian "big guns":
M240 (240mm) - 8-10
M-160 (160mm) - 80-100 (not so little)
S-23 (160mm howitzer) - 10
ML-20 (М-1937) (152mm) - 50
D-20 (152mm) - 20
Maybe numbers of M240 and S23 not so big, but M-160 not a little. But however Big caliber artillery it's very powerful weapon.
For example SPA 2S4 "Tulpan" was used in "Checen wars" and it was very effective.
http://www.waronline.org/mideast/syria_army.htm