alan15rus

First of all: did you heard in video that Russia was "surprised" to see Ukrainian weapons in georgia? No, because we did know about those weapons. 2nd yes they knew about s-200. You can call it a mistake, but when 58th army was crossing border(was on the march) it needed air support. next: - Russia will NEVER attack Ukraine. - We don't worry about "world surrounds us"(If we die you'll die too (big boom:D )) - "Georgia was a dangerous opponent" :eek: are you serious?? "opponent"? "dangerous"? they destroyed georgian military infrastructure in 30 hours? so there was no opponent at all. - those S-200's aren't Russian. They came out of Ukrainian factories with Ukrainian electonics and even Ukrainian crews inside )).

We are troubled about Georgia getting weapons from anywhere- because they are using those weapons against women and children(I'm not talking about grown men who are able to defend themselves with the same types of weapons) As far as I know Israel officially announced that it will cancel any further weapons deals with georgia. Plus they will not continue to train georgian troops anymore.

Take a look at these too: http://rutube.ru/tracks/981532.html?v=e5714567940371ba8c207ca49c78c5cc http://rutube.ru/tracks/981652.html?v=6236cd4144e3f50ee0ab3d789160562f http://rutube.ru/tracks/981642.html?v=9992bf1ab21a9e35d46363052cf256a1 1st shows georgian troops before they entered Tshkinvali (just imagine that some of them will never quit it) 2nd - well when I was watching it I remembered videos from Iraq in which insurgents were firing at US troops - shoot not to kill but to get rid of your ammo. And 3rd - you can call it "no comment". Plus someone called the video quote:"GeorgianTanskDesto yHeavyArmedRuss ianVechicle"(though there is a comment by the poster of the video which says "the morning of August the 8th." it means that there couldn't be any Russian armor in Tshkinvali at that time) The question is - who are they shooting at?? And something special about it - the column shown in the video will be completely destroyed 30 minutes later. more videos: rutube.ru/tracks/912372.html?v=dbbd6ceb523795c5e68f9625ea4684d9 http://rutube.ru/tracks/914829.html?v=1a3ebd2df52d0d8a16adbfe971a2c841 http://rutube.ru/tracks/983109.html?v=38e35ac9fe1f5358ad54ec5d9f753a83 1st and 2nd - "no comments" 3rd - "insurgents got tanks" and the same question: Who are they shooting at???:eek:

I don't have much experience at making maps and scenarios but if some of you wants to make scenario on the war - let me know through ICQ. it would be great.

very interesting video showing captured vehicles, mercenaries (one of the best so far)(in Russian) 2 parts http://rutube.ru/tracks/991912.html?v=b207ac2c16b1b3e6e2c71ef165b39485 http://rutube.ru/tracks/991919.html?v=7db259ee6a9e7550a64639055b44bbb3 about US Humvees and instructors. In the video they even say that found some drugs in pockets of georgian troops. I remember how one of Ossetian soldiers was excited about georgian soldiers being under influence of some kind of drugs. He said that he opened fire from RPK on some georgian soldier but the soldier only fell after 8th hit.

I've spoken to people who were in the town they told me the story about " "american" type of APC with 4 wheels that they had never seen before" and few days later someone said that Chechens took one of those "american APC's" to Grozny. when we were in Java there were russian officers.They asked anyone who had some videos or photos from Tshkenvali to hand those videos and photos to them. They said that they are making investigation of war crimes which were done by some Georgian troops. I believe those photos and videos will leak to internet sometime later.

Hi. My main sources(about 7000(soldiers)) are the president of S.Ossetia Kokoyti - he said it many times in multiply interviews; people who were taking part in combat operations (Russians, Chechens and Ossetians) - they say that there were not enough place in Tshkinvali to put corpses(as they didn't want to bury georgians). I've seen a lot of dead georgians by my own eyes. Plus I heard many stories in "live" when we were at Java (small village near Russian-S.Ossetian border. It the only S.Ossetian village which wasn't destroyed by georgians). 2nd. About mercenaries. http://rutube.ru/tracks/920931.html?v=2ba74ce272cfacd213ff96830c4b9be5 http://rutube.ru/tracks/983358.html?v=e098f43c69666386a8145fe62f6083fb (i'm sorry but those videos are in russian) I with MY OWN EYES SAW 2 AFRICANS(dead) FSB took their corpses and documents. Those AA systems that you were talking about(s 200 i guess) were not only bought from Ukraine but operated by Ukrainians(I'm unsure if it's true. Some Russian soldier who came from Gori said that inside destroyed S-200's they had found Ukrainians. Also in few T-72's we(I mean Ossetians-not myself) found Ukrainians. Some people were talking about dead soldiers who had "asian appearance".

And I would like to say few words about us(though i didn't manage to get into the fight itself) Ossetians. Type in wikipedia words like "Scythians" "Sarmatians" or "Alans". You'll be taken to articles about our ancestors. Just read it and you'll find out that we are the descendants of great warriors who were known around the world even BC, so warfare is part of our blood. I just wonder why georgians thought that they could take our land easily. By the way King Arthur and some of his knights were sarmatians...

about the BM-21 "Grad" -- "...The relative accuracy of this system and the number of rockets each vehicle is able to quickly bring to bear on an enemy target make it effective, especially at shorter ranges. One battalion of eighteen launchers is able to deliver 720 rockets in a single volley. However, the system cannot be used in situations that call for pinpoint precision. They shelled Tskhinvali(7.4 km² (2.9 sq mi)) with 3 battalions of BM-21's.

Steve thank you for 99% truth. That 1%- "By 1:00 pm on August 8, witnesses reported roads filled with hundreds of tanks, armored personnel carriers, towed artillery, and truck-mounted rocket launchers already travelling into the Roki Tunnel, which passes through the mountainous area that separates Russia and Georgia." - is not true. Yes we knew about georgians moving their forces into positions around S.Ossetia. But we hoped that it was nothing but our imagination... Russians crossed the border at 10.00-12.00 a.m.. They weren't massing near border at 1.00 a.m. By the way at that time i was watching specilal tv reports from Tshkinvalli. I haven't mentioned it yet but first few hours of war(from 23.00 p.m. 7 august to 3-4 a.m. 8 august) georgians were shelling Tshkinvali with BM-21 "Grad"("Hailstones") just type it in wiki and imagine what was going on in Tshkinvali those hours - straight hell on earth. Believe me, when you see on tv how whole town with 30.000 people in it is being "erased" from maps... I thought it was the beginning of Apocalypse. For a long time it was the first time when i felt that I want to cry.

Well, i read a lot of "fantasy stories" in internet about Russia being the aggressor in georgia and it was russians plan to start the war and so on... You know it's kinda sad when you read such stories knowing the truth. And it's even worse when people believe those stories. "...Considering that entire 58th army passed through N.Ossetia..." in fact biggest part of 58th army and 58th army HQ are located near our town(Vladikavkaz, capital of N.Ossetia) - it's about 2 hours by car to Tshkinvali. I can add that 58th army was set on alert when georgians officially announced that they are at war with S.Ossetians(7th august 23.30) Russian units started to move right when me and my friends did -7.00-8.00 a.m. 8th august) and first units crossed the border at 10.30-11.00 am. There was some problems on the move because there is only 1 road to S.Ossetia, and it was hard for them to get there faster(the columns were very big, plus there were many cars with refuges moving to Russia) "I've read that many units had been hastily thrown together with significant amount of armor breaking down on the way, is it true?" what you're speaking about were parts of Chechen battalions advancing into S.Ossetia before Russian units came. And when units of russian army started to advance they were under heavy artillery fire on the road to the town. At that period Russians suffered their biggest causalities. In the begging armor which were on the move were backed by S. and N.Ossetians, Chechens, and Russian Spec.Forces(i saw those by myself... and i started to think that we should pray for georgians:D). those days there were rumors that Russians are taking heavy causalities - like soldiers from training camps were thrown forward - absolutely lies. "What is the general attitude in the region towards Russia? Georgia? EU? US?" About 90% of people who live in S.Ossetia have Russian passports. Since 90's they have been asking for Russia to accept S.Ossetian independence(it was accepted by Russia few days ago). Here Russians are Heroes who saved our nation - and it's 100% truth. Georgians? It was Saakashvilli who started the war, but not Georgians. I have friends who are georgians, so what shall i do? kill them? No, never. But I(and every Ossetian) would like to see Saakashvili dead as Saddam. EU? US? Everyone here knew that some EU countries and USA are helping georgia with its military:money, weapons, instructors(who later turned out to be mercenaries). But why hate people who live in those countries? I don't think that any of you guys were asked by your presidents "shall we give georgia 1 000 000 000$ a year so few years later it will try to destroy whole S.Ossetia?"(And I don't think you even knew where S.Ossetia on world map)

Hi Dima. Well, when everything started everyone was shocked. I won't lie to you, people both in north Ossetia and south did know that something was going to start-we were getting information that georgian troops are on the move (few days before war) so we began preparations. First of all 24hours before war about 40% of people(mostly women and children) were evacuated(from south Ossetia to north). Then the president of south Ossetia sent letters to almost every republic of Caucasus. In those letters he explained that georgians would start operation those days, and he asked for help (not official help of course). As you know help came (Chechens, Dagestans and others). Speaking of Chechens; those are best warriors in whole Caucas region. Chechens were first to start advancing from Russian border into south Ossetia(their first objective was to reinforce those who were defending Tskhinvali). What special about it? well, south Ossetia isn't their homeland, they neither have families in Tskhinvali nor friends. I think it's hard to fight when you don't have some big reason isn't it?(...but maybe if you're mercenary...) Unfortunately first squad was completely destroyed (about 50 men died) - they got under artillery barrage on road to Tskhinvali(big mistake, they say they weren't expecting to be attacked so soon. it's like Georgians knew that Chechens are on the way). Later they proved themselves as heroes. Just imagine 20 men taking rid of 3 T-72s, 2 BMP 2's and about 50 men - now you ask "how??". Georgians were stupid enough to get into the center of Tshkinvali, leave their vehicles and start shooting photos of their great "victory"- yeah :eek:. Than imagine situation: same center of the town. Georgian (now guess what) !!! STRYKER !!! moving down some street without any cover(as chechens found out later - the cover were sitting inside). They shoot 1 RPG round - the vehicle stopped. You know what those who were inside of it started to do? They bailed out(about 6-8 men), but not just bailed out, but bailed out without their weapons and ammunition and even without their vests!!! yeah-:eek: again. (by the way- when chechens were leaving Ossetia they took 1 stryker and 1 t-72 to show to their president). if we speak on Russians: i heard this story. Russian column(some BMP's BTR's and few trucks) is on the move to Tshkinvali. Suddenly they heard sound of jet in the air. So when they saw it getting into position to attack, someone ordered to leave vehicles and take cover. Everyone obeyed the order except one soldier - the guy took AA rocket launcher(equivalent to "stinger") "strella"("arrow") aimed fired guided. He'll get his "Za Otvagu" medal(i guess in English it's "Medal of Honor" or smth. like that) from the presidents hands. Speaking on pictures - FSB(mix of FBI and CIA) is currently interested in any kinds of photos and videos from south Ossetia. By now it can be a mistake to post photos or videos in internet or show on tv- they'll take them.

:) o4en' priyatno. menya Alan zovut

Hi guys. I'm a big fan of CMSF. I was looking through forum when i saw "Georgia on my Mind". And immediately opened it. Why? Actually I'm from Republic North Ossetia-Alania(not south part of Ossetia where war took place, but only 2 hours from Tskhinvali). About the war I know not only from tv and internet but mostly from people who were there those days when the conflict started-as civilians and as people who were defending our homeland. On August 9 in the morning I and my friends went to South Ossetia -yes we went to war. We didn't manage to get into the war itself(we were stopped by South Ossetian millitia. Reason: we hadn't had any experience of combat operations before, plus they said we are too young for war(19-20 years old)) but in next 2 days we managed to speak to those who were taking part in combat operations(Ossetians, Russians, Chechens). The article which was posted by Smaragdadler impressed me. Impressed because these days it's hard to find truth about what was happening in South Ossetia, but Smaragdadler managed to do impossible - thank you Smaragdadler. I can tell you a lot of things on the subject - so feel free to ask (i think it'll be great discussion). what i want to speak on first is the number of dead georgian soldiers (can't call them warriors) in South Ossetia -- near !!!7 000!!! and guess what? they(georgian government) don't want to take bodies to georgia. It's funny and sad at the same time. p.s. excuse me for bad English.