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Wasn't that actually Luke Skywalkers replyOriginally posted by PanzerMike:</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jeffsmith:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Sequoia:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jeffsmith:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by PanzerMike:
* Darth Vader mode on *
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
* Darth Vader mode off *
to Darth Vader saying "I am your Father Luke" </font>
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I have no problems with the module concept now that 1.07 has proven that the base game is sound...
But lets give us something more to drool over - what are the current module plans after the Marines module? There is talk about the Brits - any official take on this? What more? Are all the mods necessarily taking place in Syria or could the year 2008/9 or so be the "CM:SF base"? Just add some grass/tree mod and a russian invasion of Poland in 2010 is possible without to much work... Riots after accusations of rigged elections etc, old style communists regain power and starts threatening old WP countries
Possible - nope, but I'm willing to add some imagination to get away from asymetric warfare 
Well, Russia vs NATO would get assymetrical pretty quick but still... OK, that's really more work than a module so make it a separate game - I'm willing to pay at least. Then add a German mod with Leos and stuff as the russians somehow squash Poland and roll through Germany to the third mod with french units. It takes lots of imagination but really - a US invasion of Syria is pretty much science fiction today... Just look at all the "which is the best tank" threads in forums all over the world. People are willing to add some imagination to try it out...
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Hi mom!
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Hi!
Unexpected release! Just downloaded the 1.07 patch for the Paradox release from GamersHell and I can confirm that it works this time. Some initial impressions:
Was just editing a scenario and booted my "work in progress" after patching. Got disastrous performance, stuttering, bad fps etc. I had started and stopped the 1.06 version many times this evening so 1.07 felt like a bad release. Rebooted and I got better FPS than ever before (subjective feeling). I don't think it had anything to do with 1.07 but rather Windows etc... if anyone experiences it, it may be worth rebooting. Running an 8800GTX (169.21 drivers) if it has anything to do with that (with the nVidia driver optimizations and max settings in CMSF).
Another thing - loading the maps seems to take longer time than before (stops for a long time at 52% and at 60%). Not that it matters as long as the time is well spent under the hood
The "bad" 1.06 behaved like that too so I was a bit shaky at first when it happened.Another one, is it only me or does it feel like the tanks are moving faster at "fast" now? My M1A1:s are speeding through the desert at dangerous speed at "fast", but the pathfinding feels really slick as a first impression - even at that speed. Very nice manouvring throgh trees with tanks and nice avoidance of friendly tanks standing in the path...
Started my "Hello World" scenario (Allahs Fist) and less than a second after starting the timer almost all of my Abrams tanks fired at some distant target at the other side of the target area. Don't remember that ever happening before so something has definately changed
/Mazex
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You mean this one?
Made this cheesy photoshop edit long time ago for an old nonsense thread... But seriously - Add it please - if there is time!
/Mazex
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At some point I was afraid the CMSF code was a dead end as it had so many problems in version 1.0->1.05. After each patch the hope diminished even more as there where so many problems left and the lacking AI and pathfinding made it impossible to "get sucked in", forgetting about the AI and blaming yourself for mistakes instead of the AI.
I fully agree with you that 1.06 did the trick. Suddenly I could play the game without thinking about irritating bugs. At some point, a game engine does the job good enough that you think of the heaps of polygons and textures as units and not as something that is produced by a computer program... CMSF version 1.06 does that - for lengthy periods. After 1.12 or something I guess the game will be really good. I am really looking forward to the modules and naturally the return to WWII...
/Mazex
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What's that up there in the sky? Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's a thread lock!
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Well, you are obviously provoking for a cause, but still - reasoning like that you have to put a pricetag on a regular GI and put up a spreadsheet and see which solution is the winner... In that case, how about adding a column where you skip the humvee:s too? They cost a lot of money too and you could train more soldiers patrolling on foot for those dollars, making up for the losses. How about if you cut the training time. That must get you cheaper GI:s too, making the "patrol on foot" alterative even more interesting?Originally posted by Bigduke6:So pretty much a waste of money as far as I am concerned. If you think about the cost of replacing every HUMMV, it undoubtedly would be an awful lot cheaper to keep the HUMMVes, and spend the money saved on recruiting more soliders.
The net tactical effect, either way, would be the same, it seems to me.
/Mazex
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With Windows XP:Originally posted by MarkEzra:</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by handihoc:
btw Am I missing sumtin? How do you take screenshots?
1. Click on Print Screen button (you can only do this one at a time and the screen save is always the last click)
2 Exit game and go to Programs/accessories/Paint
3. In Paint click edit and Paste. You can now use paint to change size, file type to upload (JEPG usually ) or get Photoshop which I use because ANY dunderhead can get Really good results with it...I'm living proof!)
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Well, for me 1.06 has made the game fully playable, and after waiting since day one for satring the campaign (and version 1.0 (Paradox user)), I just want the campaign fixed now so that the syrians start where the designer originally put them. I guess the new engine (It really is that) plays in a completely different way so a review of the campaign battles from a balance viewpoint would maybe be a good thing too? Played some battles yesterday and some where really easy to win now when the troops are off drugs
Others are really tough as the syrians are off drugs too... /Mazex
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Finally the real 1.06 Paradox patch arrives and what a pleasant surprise!
The pathfinding code has gone from the silliest in a game since the 80-ies to what I had expected from the begining - quite OK for a 2007 game! The silly long waypoint deviations are gone (<1.06 could wander off from the plotted path completey). The fine navigation has also improved massively. I put two Abrams tanks nose to nose with a 10m gap between them and ran eights around and between them in tight turns with another Abrams for 10 minutes out o cheer joy
The rest of the game just feels soo much better too, as someone put it - you no longer think about how the AI will mess your plan up but think real tactics instead. Finally I will start the stock campaign that I refused to start until the game got out of the beta phase that we have been helping out with the last 6 months.
Now I really look forward to CMx2 Normany and CMSF 1.07 - after I'm done with the campaign!
You are now forgiven for all your CMSF 1.0 sins - let's hope some sites does a re-review of the game so that it gets the score it deserves now! I agreed with most reviewers then so no shame on them...
/Mazex
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Still waiting for that Paradox fix...
Nope that's correct, but at the other hand the graphics drivers are rather easy to roll back, and as I don't have any SLA obligations to myself about 7x24 uptime on my gaming rig, I can handle the necessary reboot to revert to the old version if the driver seems bad
Still waiting...
/Mazex
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If everyone behaved like that we would still be living in cavesOriginally posted by gibsonm:Why not just stick to a version that you know works, instead of upgrading and then having to back out every time?
Sorry could not resist it - don't take it too seriously! (yes - I'm bored, waiting for the Paradox fix)
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Thanks for the update..I will go ahead and ask, is there a chance it will be yet today? </font>Originally posted by Madmatt:</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by meter:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Madmatt:
We are working right now with Paradox to get this all fixed and will get a working patch out to you as soon as we can.
Don't be too hard on Paradox this time as I didn't catch this issue either and I really should have before I posted the patch for the mirrors to host.
I normally perform at the very least a load functionality test to make sure everything comes up as it should. The problem with this issue is that the game DOES load, you just can't click on any units.
I will get it fixed though with as minimal a delay as I can.
Madmatt
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Well, we often hear about QA issues delaying the patches for the CD versions. I guess we know right now why the Paradox patch was released at the same time as the BFC version... They skipped the whole testing phase right off.
I worked with some russian devs once. A famous quote in that project was from one of them (told in thick russian accent): "We have tried it once, it will work all the time". You can all guess what happened the next time his module was invoked
/Mazex
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Hi!
Im getting this one too with my 8800GTX using the 169.21 drivers (Paradox CD version). Got the error with my old drivers too (167.75 or something?) so I tried upgrading.
Really annoying as the changelog looked like we where finally getting the RC1 version instead of the previous alphas and betas
I also tried and interesting thing in a mission with only Strykers... Pressed "=" (select next unit) and the same fatal exeption occurred. So it's not the mouse click that casues the problem.
The error (doesn't say much - but still, are you interested in the full dump?):
Fatal Exeption:
AppName: cm shock force.exe AppVer: 0.0.0.0 ModName: cm shock force.exe
ModVer: 0.0.0.0 Offset: 00035bf3
Snippet from the wrapper for the error report it wanted to send to m$:
<EXE NAME="CM Shock Force.exe" FILTER="GRABMI_FILTER_PRIVACY">
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="CM Shock Force.exe" SIZE="9392128" CHECKSUM="0x38668240" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x41C5A0" LINKER_VERSION="0x10000" LINK_DATE="02/01/2008 12:22:07" UPTO_LINK_DATE="02/01/2008 12:22:07" />
My system (all drivers updated to latest versions etc - rock stable in all other apps)
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 (@3.0Ghz - 1200Mhz FSB)
Asus Striker Extreme NForce680i SLI MB
Asus GeForce 8800GTX 768Mb
2 x 1Gb Corsair PC6400 XMS2 XTREME CAS4 @900Mhz 4-4-4-15 2,1 Volt
1 x RAPTOR 150GB + 2 x Raptor 74Gb (raid 0) + Hitatchi T7K500 320GB
Creative SB X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty Professional
Zalman CNPS9700 Cpu cooler
Antec TruePower Trio 650W
Antec P180B Chassis
Dual boot - Windows XP SP2+ and Vista64 Ultimate
Regards /Mazex (hoping for a QUICK fix)
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OK - I hope that the Paradox patch does not take two weeks to finalize after that... The wait after the dl patch is out is unbearable. Why did I buy the paradox version then? I simply like to buy boxed software with a CD, call me old fashioned or whatever
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Hey Rune, you realize that you have just broken a number of Geneva Convention regualations that would make Saddam Hussein look like a boy scout?Originally posted by rune:The scene, 8 July, 1944 British troops in the Ardennes under intense fire...
British soldiers pull out paper, and start saying the following....
Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! ... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput.
German troops fall over dead from laughter...
Rune
/Mazex
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Sounds good! I hope that Charles does some optimization he talked about regarding at least the "move" or "slow" commands to make the vehicles select the plotted path instead of making up "their own" way...Originally posted by Battlefront.com:We intend to release a v1.06 patch within a few weeks. We need to fix a couple more of the pressing issues (low walls was the most important) and get it tested. Remember, rushing the last part of testing is why the low wall problem is there in the first place
We also have to allow for an extra week just because of the Holidays. The problem with volunteers is that they can't be forced to work, the little buggers!We HOPE that changes to CM:WW2 can be made available to CM:SF customers. At least some of the major structural changes. It may not be possible, though. I suppose if we have to put a lot of effort into getting the CM:SF data to work with the improvements we might roll them into a Module or an "upgrade". Time will tell.
My point here is that if we can pass new stuff backwards with little effort (no mistake about it, there will be effort involved) we will do so at no charge. If we have to devote significant resources to reconciling the old with the new, then we're going to have to ask for something in return. Not to worry though, it will be very reasonable if it comes to that. For one, I'm hoping we can just give the stuff away free
Steve
Example (version 1.05):
Allahs Fist - an initial simple order through flat plain desert with no obstacles. Observe that it is a "slow" order - the results are the same with fast, accept that the leftmost tanks forgot it's move order after getting close to the other tank on the left side and simply stopped (dropping the order)...
The orders:
The result (with added original orders) - trick question - which tank belong to which original path?:
I really do have problems with this - why do they NOT take the plain and easy route that I planned for them? Instead deviating A LOT and ending up zig zagging between the palm trees at two different places... The two leftmost tanks arrived a good time after the rightmost tanks - and exposed themselves in places I did not intend to!
I've read the 300 post thread recently about this and your answers to it, and a game does not need "super duper driving AI" to sort this out. It takes all the immersion away from me at least. Even if I plot the course with number of waypoints one of the tanks ended up among the trees!
EDIT - comments like: "A real commander would issue more detailed orders instead of 'long' orders like that" will be disregarded
An order like "Advance slowly to the gap between the trees over there" should be prefectly realistic as there is only flat sand between the starting location and the gap... It would be almost impossible to give another order as it would be something like "drive to coordinate xy (somwhere in the flat sand on route) and then to...Regards /Mazex
[ December 20, 2007, 03:38 PM: Message edited by: mazex ]
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Well, the completely insane pathfinding is actually my biggest issue with CMSF so it's depressing news that it has not been fixed. As it has not been fixed after so many posts about it there has to be something fundamentally wrong with the whole movement code in the game. This has to be a prime candidate for 1.06 even though it should have been fixed in version 0.7!
I've posted a few images way back when of M1A1:s beeing given a long "single" ~30 degree movement order in a plain desert and they go 45 degrees until passing the point where they can go 0 degrees to get to the destination. In a flat desert and a long "leg" the deviation from the plotted course can be rediculus - and they expose themselves to the enemies I tried to sneak up on using MY EXPLICIT ORDER. They have to be taken out and shot in an ad hoc court marshal if they survive...
As I don't have the 1.05 patch yet (living in Sweden and bought the boxed Paradox edition), I haven't been able to test it. I guess my 30 degreee test will fail then to. Until a simle order like that is executed correctly it doesn't matter how nice the dynamic lighting is - for me at least!
/Mazex
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Just fyi, I reported this scenario's los problems earlier in an AAR thread.Originally posted by Adam1:</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Battlefront.com:
yet this is the first time we've seen it documented. Go figure that it is spotted hours after the release of v1.05
This is why a better bug reporting system might be useful. Hell, I did beta test for you guys for a number of years... </font>
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Wow! That's what I call a patch readme! Can't wait until the Paradox version...
/Mazex
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Go the other way instead of modern, lets say a thousand years for fun. To keep the force balance of US vs Syria - how about a "Hordes of mushroom loaded Vikings vs. small and peaceful fisherman village in France" setting? Reminds me of that olde viking war game? What was it called? Stamford bridge?Originally posted by 'Card:Give me hypothetical stuff. Near-future US versus China. Mid-80's NATO versus the Warsaw Pact in the Fulda Gap. Israel versus Egypt. The European Union versus Microsoft's evil corporate goons, for all I care. Just anything other than another WW2 simulation. Hell, let's figure out a way to let the Brits slug it out with the French or something.
OK, I'm bored waiting for the patch
/Mazex
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Sounds interesting with a mod tool! I guess I have missed a month of posts or so getting tired of waiting for 1.05... I suppose that we will not be able to add new units etc as that would hurt the sales of BFC's modules?
At the other hand, it could give the game a well deserved boost if 1.05 fixes the LOS/LOF/Pathfinding issues as promised and community content adds some interesting scenarios instead of US vs. Syria which is not a favourite of mine.
/Mazex
Possible - nope, but I'm willing to add some imagination to get away from asymetric warfare 
We also have to allow for an extra week just because of the Holidays. The problem with volunteers is that they can't be forced to work, the little buggers!
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in Combat Mission Shock Force 1
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Well, I have an 8800GTX in my desktop PC and a 7600GS in my Media Center computer (AMD 3000+ 1Gb). The 7600GS plays CMSF but not with full details. The 8800GTX also has rather bad FPS so there is no card on this planet that can play CMSF well... The 7600GS can actually play Crysis too - but at low settings and with rather bad FPS, but somehow playable...