Skanvak

I was reading the description of the game to see if I buy it or not and read that France is a minor power? no kidding? France is a major power of the time (they were very advance in weaponery including nuclear reasearch). The defeat was really not certain. Is there a way to turn France a Major power?

Ok, thanks for your information. For the patch, it seems that I did not installed it properly. It must go to the RUN directory. That is solved thanks to you (the tech suppport did not tell me that) For the text bug I got a reply from BF techsupport : it seems to be related to a bug with ATI graphic card. It is solve by... Alt-tab! Enjoy. Thank you again for your help it was useful.

I have just install the cdv version on my new computer running on XP (yes, I have a licence so not wanting to upgrade right now). But I get a bug right with the scenario selection : the description of the scenario name and later instruction does not appear. I get sometime a cannot open OpenPlay.dll that prevent launching of the game. I tried to install patch 1.03 but it does not seem capable of finding the installation disk. I pointed on the CM3AK folder and then it is still the same bug. It look like too that the version of the game does not appear on the first screen. CM2BB works fine CMSF works fine

Quote "WW1 would not have been won, indeed, it would have been lost had America not come in the side of the Allies. If you disagree, you haven't read enough about the war. If you think you have read enough, you haven't, so read more." That's Wrong, there are 2 reason two german defeat and US is not part of it. First there are the armored offensive of 1918 (french/english) and the Autro-hungarian surrendered (French). USA give fresh troop, fine but not decisive. Germany was closer to upheaval than France. (From what is written by Lidell Hart). For WW2, I would like to had that your discussion cannot through out Hilter evilness and goal, otherwise you should too through out Allied doctrinal mistake and Germany would have been defeated, no way germany could win the war if the anglo-french army have had the kind of Command structure and doctrine used in the 20's. ((Though WW2 is a US victory, no doubt)). PS : US did fail to save France in an european War. They were defeated and end up on the losing side. [ September 04, 2004, 01:51 AM: Message edited by: Skanvak ]

Strange, I don't use to be anti-american before reading this thread. I even used to support the war in Iraqi. Well, after reading the reaction of American to Sombra's post, I hope the US will be defeated. Sombra, I back you (ok, that don't help, but..). And not Paying the UN debt is really unacceptable. Look like Athene at it worst time.

I see that the question of winning the War is still on. I will add my little stone. I agree with most of what has been said on the topics. But I still think that Germany couldn't have won the War. The reason is two folds. First, it is a question of the definition of "winning the war". Hitler never defined what it will consider a victory except perhaps inconditionnal surrender of all allied country. Second, the objective of acheiving the inconditionnal surrender of all allied country seem today unreacheable. Not that defeating Germany was easy, but because the Allied country where strong too (especially the US) and defeating them all was unreachable (Still I agree that the war was hard, and that it could have gone worse (and it went quite bad) but not as worse as a German victory over the USA). Therefore I reckon that the greatest reason that Germany lose is its lack "end of War condition".

Where?

Aaargh smurf and papa smurf? that Awful. To be a Purist say : Schtroumpf & Grand Schtroumpf, and sometime a Vieux Vieux Schtroumpf (very Old) & a Grand Grand Schtroumpf (the Dictator). Of course their are too the Schtroumpf noir (a kind of Schtroumpf Trooper but that attack other schtroumpfs). And don't forget to use : Un Schtroumpf Schtroumpfé qui Schtroumpf du Schtroumpf avec un gros Schtroumpf et qui Schtroumpf sur les Schtroumpfs du Schtroumpf.

I totally support shaka post. Naval warfare as very few in common with land warfareand require a different system.

I don't think it is forbidden in France? All tabletop wargame I bought have the Swastika flag for nazi. I know the question about Germany. But why does it impact computer game and not tabletop wargame? Though I really think that not displaying the nazi flag is hypocrit. The games name all general of the german army which was as nazi as the rest. SC1 is somehow pro-nazi germany that is worst in my point of view that displaying the historically acurate nazi flag. I fill like we should change the french flag in all game as it has been used by Napoleon and Vichy government. Associating Nazi germany with another flag is perhaps a bit insulting to the other flag too. By the way, look at a modern day's japanese road map/tourist's map : they're full of swastika. so they could not be sold in Germany?? And last : I always thought historical wargame should present history as it was. Presenting it differently will gradually make young players think along false idea. If we cannot cope the fact of recreating nazi horrors, then we can play fantasy wargame with WWII technology. *sorry for the rant, i do believe a small mod to be the answer, or a switch/parental control thing*

To add to the goods arguments developped here for the quick kill explanation. One has to remind Hitler's experience of WWI. In the end of WWI the german population was very anti-war and they was some rebellion in geramn cities by socialists. Part of the army think that German population will not tolerate hard condition for a long time. So for domesctic reasons Hitler didn't not push Germany to war economy before after 1942 (I don't remind the exact point). Some historians have advocate that the dunkirk evacuation was made possible by Hitler's decision. It would have been a way to give the British a sign of good will, in a hope of a peace treaty.

Are we going to keep the old naval system that totally mimics the lands system (I hate that aspect in SC1) or are we going to have some real fleet action? Because seeing a "naval front" somewhat depress me. I hope that at least naval unit will be able to cross each other even if ennemy.

I know a napoleonic game that use Octogone. Though I will have to try the CivIII WWII scenario now. To see the differences (there are no supply that Civ III downfallon the matter).

IMO, the tiles set is simply making the game look like Civ III. I am disappointed by this choice.

Though the hotseat replay could be useful. I am for.