JPSeiler

September 28, 2002

YES lets have a mod forum !

Greetings

Jean-Pierre

September 28, 2002

I think actualy its not a bad thing to have diffrent mods for one vehicle ... everyone has a other taste.

So far i just wana make a small (hehehe) modification in making all vehicles/tanks/infantry marked with signs, names, etc pp from Groß Deutschland.

Than a big one what i realy wana do is winterized grafiks ... .

Im sure that im only making "german" mods.

Greetings

Jean-Pierre

September 28, 2002

Originally posted by mchlstrt:
IIRC the offset for Dunklegelb is 10,000, Winter is 50,00(?). So 8XXX should be Grey, & the yellow should be 18,XXX. I may be misrememberating this.
The CM engine is known not to handle dark colors real well. If you look at Mods by the guys that really know what they're doing you see lots of medium & light shades & when it gets dark it does so quickly & simply. It also seems to me that the CM engine has to resample .BMPs for it's own purposes & a lot of subtleties in things like shading & weathering can get lost or worse. My 'Grimy JT' is a good example of these problems, unfortunately ( a darn tasteful one though, if I do say so myself). Look at it in-game then look at the .BMPs themselves. Then there's different vidcards, monitors, resolutions, blah,blah, blah, & who knows what that might mean. I'm sure what we're seeing up top isn't exactly what you're looking at on your screen when you're working on it.
Hope this is helpful & not, er, the opposite.

Strt

Thank you very much ! I give it a try with "lighter colours"

Hey found a "interesting bmp take a look at 6574.bmp & 6674.bmp ... dont know what it is

Browsed all bmps again, and didnt found the grey one, im getting crazy.

Also would be helpfull to know the bmp numbers for the winterezied pak infantrie (german as first ) and maybe flak some vehicles tanks... .

Why cant we have a "what number is what ingame list" from BTS

Greetings

Jean-Piere

September 28, 2002

Hey i have no i repeat NO grey pak36 ingame ... i tried juli and december 1941 but on both it was yelow, the 48mm and 50mm and other are all grey ... hmm.

Saw in my bmp folder that theres just the "shield" named 13713.bmp and the same bmp, named as 13753.bmp (maybe the placeholder for the winterized grafik?) the grey gun grafiks and other of the pak is missing .. i think but i still searching.

But it is confusing, i mean the yelow pak36 is:

8520.bmp

8521.bmp

8522.bmp

8523.bmp

8524.bmp

8525.bmp

8526.bmp

8527.bmp

8528.bmp

8529.bmp

8530.bmp

8531.bmp?

The bmps for the grey pak should have the same filestructur ...

[ September 27, 2002, 06:48 PM: Message edited by: JPSeiler ]

September 28, 2002

Originally posted by Michael Dorosh:
I fail to see the problem - the in game shots look like what you painted on the bmp. What is it that you aren't happy with? Mods seem fine to me.

its more white a brighter grey ... and some areas are realy "pixely?" (you see pixels not smoth colour changing ... blocky) thats what im not happy with ... mayeb its cause im a perfectionst *smile*

But i see seriously a big difernece between texture in photoshop note its 200% view !!! and ingame (100%)its for me like day and night in photoshop smothe colouring changing and in CMBB just blocking (i know that photoshop actualy dithers the textures but i opened the files in paint too ... just to see that it looks their good too ... )

Im the only one here who sees the big differnce ... i play now more around with it, i take a look at the grey textures made by BTS.

Greetings

Jean-Pierre

September 27, 2002

Originally posted by Juju:
There's been several times I started doing a mod/BMP and I thought "there's no way I'll be able to improve this." And usually the first couple of attempts fail miserably. But then there's this point where you think "This is it! This is what I wanted."
So keep with it, JPS. Good results hardly ever come with the first try. And with every attempt you gain a little more skill.
Rinse and repeat, so to speak.

So i have to experimate wich colours will go ingame and wich colours get replaced ??? ohhh gosh thats bad ... i just wanted to hear here that theres actualy a way that you see ingame what you actualy painted.

Greetings

Jean-Pierre

September 27, 2002

Originally posted by Michael Dorosh:
Aren't there two versions of the 36 (sic) - one dark yellow and one grey?

You need to select an early war date in order to get the grey one. If you mod part of the dark yellow one, you will get the results you got....

Try restoring the default bmps, then change the date in the scenario editor to 1941 and see what your PaK 36 looks like then.

Yes sure, i have right now the full game, and the grey version is in ... i know.

BUT actually i want to make some grafik mods for CMBB, but when i had this problem (with bad looking in game) i just stoped working on my mods.

Also wrote madmatt a email ... but think he has to much work/other emails

To hit the point i want to make mods for CMBB, but when they look like this ingame i dont want to make them ... . Uhm hope someone understands my poor english

Greetings

Jean-Pierre

September 27, 2002

Hi there,

when the CMBB Demo came out the first i did (after playing of course for some hours) was doing a changed grafik for the pak36, cause i wanted it be grey . Ok after some minutes i put it in the bmp folder, just to test how it looks ingame (to dark, details visible ...) and i saw something realy CRUEL, it looks BAD realy BAD ingame . Thinked about and figured out that maybe CMBB scalls 24bit down to 16bit. So what can i acctualy do that it looks good ?

ingame pics :

and in photoshop:

maybe someone can help me, thanks in advnace !

Greetings

Jean-Pierre

[ September 27, 2002, 06:14 PM: Message edited by: JPSeiler ]

September 24, 2002

Originally posted by John Kettler:
JPSeiler,

You have nothing for which to apologize, since you
gave the point values in the second paragraph of your initial post. The firing trials are most interesting.

Regards,

John Kettler

I hope i understood that correctly, thank you

Greetings

Jean-Pierre

September 24, 2002

Okey i think the next test will be SU-100 cause the gun of this russian badass tankhunter has the most powerfulll (i think, when not correct me please) gun. Making the requested ISU-122 later cause we´ve allready got the IS-2 with the same gun. Wich german unit should we gave the honour (to hopefully) get crushed by the SU-100 ? After the SU-100 i just wana test the Jagdtiger vs IS-2.

So far i notifieded that the most german tanks are realy cost intesivy, sure they are better at far range and accurartity, but i think that the russian players can easliy outnumber the german players ... .

Oki going back to the scenario iam working currently on and make later the rest of the tests

laters !

Jean-Pierre

September 23, 2002

Originally posted by CRSutton:
It is possible that the IS-2 was using HE against the Nashorn? Pretty thin armor and 120 HE would do a good job at range. Can you confirm that?

nope they used armorpiercing grenates ... im wondering too ...

September 23, 2002

Originally posted by gunnersman:
Close enough. Abandoned.

thank you, i´ll replace it now

Greetings

Jean-Pierre

September 23, 2002

Originally posted by Dressler:
In your tests, when you say "left" does that mean the crew bailed out and abandoned the vehicle?

by the way, what would be than the correct replacment for left (btw i just thinked oh "elvis left the building so i wroted "left") abonded ?

September 23, 2002

Originally posted by Dittohead:
How does the ROF compare in these tests. I would imagine the 88 out shouts the Russian tanks 2:1 or better. So the Germans tanks should be hitting more often.

i didnt saved all the end turns just one of three ... :/ and i can only post than the ammo amount they started with and the ammo amount in the last turn ... what should i do ?

September 23, 2002

@Panzer Boxb

thank you very much

September 23, 2002

Originally posted by Madmatt:
Actually, if you were missing any sounds or bmps the game would crash IIRC.Madmatt

In the CMBB demo i created a pak texture and named it wrong, game didnt crashed, it showed just white "textures" for the missing textures ... .

What means IIRC ?

Originally posted by Madmatt:
Guys please do me a favor and tell me how many files are in your BMP folder and also you WAV folder. I am trying to determine if when this error occurs all the textures and sounds are being installed or not.
Thanks!
Madmatt

i have 5833 in my BMP file folder.

I notified that im missing ingame the "ice" texture and the "backbank" from the sdkfz7 ... rest works fine

Only by the bmp unpacking i got an error, the wavs were unpacked without any problems ... .

Greetings

Jean-Pierre

September 23, 2002

Originally posted by Dressler:
Hartgesotten would roughly translate to "hardboiled" or "hardcore" in English.

thank you

In your tests, when you say "left" does that mean the crew bailed out and abandoned the vehicle?

thats correct, thinked its interesting for opperations to know ...

September 23, 2002

Originally posted by Andreas:
Panthers come at 230-240 points depending on version before rarity. A platoon of five will set you back by 1,009-1,039 points.

The German unit experience ratings are:

Rekruten = Recruits
Unerfahren = Green
Regulaer = Regular
Erfahren = Veteran
Hartgesotten = Crack (that is what was translated as hardsimmered)
Elite = Elite

thank you andreas

September 23, 2002

Chad Harrison & Panzer Boxb

email is sended

September 23, 2002

next one as requested :

Tiger PzIVE (late) (296 points) vs ISU-152(207 points) (10 rounds per test, all units are cracks)

Test 1

500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) destroyed ISU-152 destroyed

500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) abandoned ISU-152 ok

Test 2

500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 destroyed

500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) abandoned ISU-152 destroyed

Test 3

500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) abandoned ISU-152 unmoveable

500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 destroyed

500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) destroyed ISU-152 1 wounded

Test 1

1000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

1000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) abandoned ISU-152 destroyed

1000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 destroyed

Test 2

1000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 destroyed

1000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) abandoned ISU-152 ok

1000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 destroyed

Test 3

1000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) abandoned ISU-152 ok

1000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) unmoveable ISU-152 destroyed

Test 1

1500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) abandoned ISU-152 1 wounded

1500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

Test 2

1500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

1500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 destroyed

Test 3

1500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) destroyed ISU-152 ok

1500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

1500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 destroyed

Test 1

2000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) 1 wounded ISU-152 abandoned

2000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 destroyed

2000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

Test 2

2000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

2000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) abandoned ISU-152 ok

Test 3

2000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

Test 1

2500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

Test 2

2500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

2500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) 1 wounded ISU-152 1 wounded

2500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) gun damaged ISU-152 ok

Test 3

2500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

2500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 1 wounded

Test 1

3000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

3000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) destroyed ISU-152 ok

Test 2

3000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

3000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 unmoveable

3000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

Test 3

3000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 abandoned

3000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 1 wounded; unmoveable

3000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 ok

Test 1

3500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 ok

3500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) destroyed ISU-152 unmoveable

Test 2

3500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 ok

3500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 1 wounded

3500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 unmoveable

Test 3

3500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 1 wounded

3500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 unmoveable

3500 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 ok

Test 1

4000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 unmoveable

4000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 ok

4000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 unmoveable

Test 2

4000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 unmoveable

4000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 ok

4000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 1 wounded

Test 3

4000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 ok

4000 meter Tiger PzIVE (late) ok ISU-152 1 wounded

[ September 23, 2002, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: JPSeiler ]

September 23, 2002

By the way, heres a picture from my testing map, maybe someone want it than i can email it to you

click here for image big picture of the whole map (2000 x 4000 meter = 597 x 1224 pixel)

Greetings

Jean-Pierre

September 23, 2002

Originally posted by Chad Harrison:
The panther costs 321 points!!! How in the world does it cost that many points? In CMBO it cost 199 points for a regular crew. Was that a veteran panther at a early date where rarity plays into effect?

Stinks that the Panther is so much more expensive. Does anyone know if you can buy single tanks or if they have to come as a platoon? For a small 1000 point QB, you could never even dream of a platoon of Panthers!!!! Or even Mark IV for that matter.
Chad

the Panther cost 321 point cause he wasnt regualr, i have the germane version

unerfahren unexpercianced ?

rekruten rekruts

regulär regular

erfahren experirienced

hartgesotten hardsimmered(translated this one with babelfish )

and for sure ELITE

you dont have to buy platoons (züge)from tank to tank the platoon strenght is diffrent, example a platoon of Sturmtigers have 2 tanks a platoon of Tigers 4 tanks.

Here the platoon cost for a regualar Panther G(late) platoon:

tankleader 238

and 4 x 199

makes 1034 points total

one single regular Panther G (late) costs 238 points

Infantrie Battalion 42 costs 1472

Kompanie 433

and a single platoon 135

(all regualar)

You cant buy Panzerfäuste 60 ... they are just automatical assigne to the squads

but there are the Panzerjägertrupps (you seen in the demo) and panzerschrecks

regualar Panzerjäger cost 11 points

regualar Schreck 28 points

hope i didnt forget someones question

and sorry for my bad english :-(

Greetings

Jean-Pierre

[ September 23, 2002, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: JPSeiler ]

September 23, 2002

next one

Nashorn (146 points) vs IS 2 model 1944(283 points) (6 rounds per test, all units are cracks)

Test 1

500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

Test 2

500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 1 wounded

Test 3

500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 1 wounded; gun damage

500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

Test 1

1000 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

1000 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

Test 2

1000 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

1000 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

1000 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

Test 3

1000 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

1000 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 abandoned

Test 1

1500 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 abandoned

1500 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

1500 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 abandoned

Test 2

1500 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

1500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

Test 3

1500 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

1500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 abandoned

1500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

Test 1

2000 meter Nashorn unmoveable IS 2 model 1944 abandoned

2000 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

Test 2

2000 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

2000 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

2000 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 abandoned

Test 3

2000 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 abandoned

Test 1

2500 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

2500 meter Nashorn 1 wounded IS 2 model 1944 abandoned

2500 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

Test 2

2500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

2500 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 abandoned

2500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

Test 3

2500 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 ok

2500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 1 wounded

2500 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

Test 1

3000 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

3000 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 abandoned

3000 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 1 wounded

Test 2

3000 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

3000 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

3000 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

Test 3

3000 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 abandoned

3000 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

3000 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

Test 1

3500 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 unmoveable

3500 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 destroyed

3500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

Test 2

3500 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 1 wounded

3500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

Test 3

3500 meter Nashorn ok IS 2 model 1944 abandoned

3500 meter Nashorn destroyed IS 2 model 1944 ok

Test 1