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    Units (infantry squads) stucked in residental area.

    in Combat Mission: Shock Force Tech Support

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    This is really killing me now. Playing the Aleppo Airport scen. which is great, but squads are just randomly refusing to respond to movement orders. They are in command, not moving into enemy fire etc. but they just will not move - and I literally cannot advance as the troops simply refuse to move. Weird.

    Prez Cartman, your work arounds didn't work for me but thanks all the same.

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    Reluctant Sniper Teams and Suicidal MMGs.

    in Combat Mission Shock Force 1

    Posted

    Sig

    I wondered about that - so i tried giving them a target arc just to push them gently in the right direction rather than forcing them to target a given enemy, but that still didn't work.

    For info - they were on top of the control tower and I think out of effective range of any enemy weapons (certainly the javelin team next to them happily fired off several missiles without drawing fire), so if they are programmed to prioritise survivability more than, say, a rifleman would, I think they prioritise it too highly.

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    Validation - Thank you

    in Combat Mission Shock Force 1

    Posted

    Originally posted by funkster319:

    Well further to my comments in the following post :

    http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=52;t=002293

    Validation of my comment:

    QUOTE FROM GAMESPOT REVIEW : Even so, no game should be released in such a rough, incomplete state

    Full Review:

    http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/combatmissionshockforce/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=summary;review

    Funkster - because this guy has said the same thing as you, in what way is that validation? If I publish something saying the opposite of what you said would that count as invalidation?
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    Reluctant Sniper Teams and Suicidal MMGs.

    in Combat Mission Shock Force 1

    Posted

    1. Has anyone had problems with snipers refusing to shoot when given the target command?

    In the airbase mission I have my sniper team at the top of the control tower and they have repeatedly refused to fire at any of the various enemy targets I have selected for them (which are in range and in LOS).

    I don't think I'm doing anything wrong, but the fact this has not been reported before suggests to me it's not a bug.

    2. Has anyone witnessed strange behaviour when deploying MMG teams?

    On two occasions I have asked an MMG team to deploy its weapon (not in a house or on a roof, I have read the threads concerning their inability to do this). The resulting behaviour was for two members of the team to deploy in the requested position and a further member of the team to move off some hundred yards away from that point for no obvious reason.

    Anyone seen this happen?

    Thanks in advance for your responses.

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    I Love CM:SF!

    in Combat Mission Shock Force 1

    Posted

    Add me to the list.

    Still haven't finished the first scenario yet (playing WeGo to get used to things) - but I love it. If anything it surpasses my expectations. Yeah, there are a few bugs and the pathfinding could do with some refinement but the game is amazing.

    God knows what all those posts about the game being 'broken' were about. Utter rubbish.

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    A word of caution on CM:SF complaints

    in Combat Mission Shock Force 1

    Posted

    Originally posted by Cavtroop:

    My beef isn't that things are unfinished (that is a beef, just not my big one).

    My big beef is that everyone says 'BF is a small shop, give them a break'. But they charge big-shop prices for their product. As a consumer, at this price point, I expect a finished, polished product. As a consumer, I don't care if the shop is a small 'in the basement' operation, or a large multinational corporation.

    Still, I'm working around the bugs and performance issues, and am having fun playing the game now. Hopefully a patch or two will come out quickly to address my concerns with the game (check the tech support forum, I'm not going to post that here). But like I said, I'm enjoying myself at least a bit for now.

    Cavtroop: Steve and others have basically said what follows, but your comments compelled me to add my own 2 cents. Don't take this personally - it's aimed at everyone who has made complaints of a similar nature.

    What you're missing is a small but rather fundamental economic concept known as supply and demand. If the small shop in the basement was the only place on earth where you could get the product you were after, would you expect to pay the same for it as you would if the multinationals were churning the product out also? Of course not, if it was the only thing on the market you'd expect to pay very much more than simply the cost plus overheads plus a commercial mark-up - the guy in the basement could name his price and those who wanted the product would have to pay it.

    You may argue that there are alternatives, but that's a pretty superficial assessment. Nothing on the market seeks to combine tactical and graphical realism like CM does; there are eye candy games which don't come close realism-wise, or there are those that focus on tactical realism with very unsophisticated visual representation.

    The fact that you are able to get this game at the price you are is a minor miracle, in fact I suspect if Battlefront were to increase the price by, say, 50%, they would generate higher revenues despite losing some unit sales.

    There may be some teething problems with the game, but criticising Battlefront for not delivering what the competition delivers at the same price is misguided.

    Rant over.

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    Old timers - How does this kerfuffle compare with the release of CMBO?

    in Combat Mission Shock Force 1

    Posted

    Thanks all. I play practically no other titles besides this, so perhaps my perception of the volume of issues / gripes wasn't balanced properly due to a lack of context.

    Great to hear anyway that Steve and Moon are relaxed about how things are going.

    One tying I would say though is that I continue to be surprised at people's expectation from such a tiny organisation.

    If a need to get the cash flowing in led to the game being released two or three months before its absolute optimum as regards ironing out all issues, or a few items being excluded, who can blame Battlefront? The commercial reality is that a business requires cash to operate, and although other titles have been released since CMAK, I'm guessing none of those generate cash for Battlefront at anything more than a fraction of the rate of a CM release (either because they're less popular or they're only released under licence and much less of the margin hits Battlefront's bank account).

    Anyhows, just partitioned my Mac's drive for Bootcamp so hopefully within half an hour or so I'll be playing rather than posting. Looks like there's a good Mac support thread, courtesy of Mikey D, if i get any problems, so here goes...

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    Old timers - How does this kerfuffle compare with the release of CMBO?

    in Combat Mission Shock Force 1

    Posted

    Haven't started playing yet (on a mac and currently setting up the whole bootcamp thing - should be playing later today), but seems like Steve and the team are taking a hammering.

    I was wondering if the old timers could tell us how the apparent uproar and constant stream of complaints / bug reports compares with the release of CMBO (I wasn't aware of CM when CMBO first came out).

    What I'm getting at is are Steve and co sitting there thinking, "Seen it all before, this is just what we expected" or are all these problems comparatively serious?

    You won't catch me complaining incidentally; $40 (20GBP) is really nothing for a game this niche. Even if it starts out super-buggy I'd rather have that than nothing and you know Battlefront will patch everything up pretty quickly.

    Look forward to your responses.

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    We need a “high-intensity” warfare opponent module ;).

    in Combat Mission Shock Force 1

    Posted

    I too am really looking forward to the game, but equally, relying purely on victory parameters to demonstrate whether or not a fight was close leaves me a tad cold; however, the following gives me great cause for optimism.

    Originally posted by Moon:

    Kip, CMSF can be quite high-intensity out of the box. MikeyD mentioned already the Kornet, a weapon which can take out an Abrams reliably from a long distance. Another interesting weapon in the Syrian arsenal is the T-72 TURMS-T modification. They don't have too many, but enough to really be a problem for an M1 Abrams tank commander who carelessly wanders around the battlefield expecting only T-55s smile.gif

    CMSF is a tactical game as you know and as such it's up to each scenario designer to cut out a piece of from the strategic picture. The fact that 80% of a tank force may be not up to par is of little impact to the player who is facing a Republican Guard armored company supported by some Syrian Special forces* with Kornets in hidden positions.

    Martin

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    CM-SF-Syrian-SpecForce.jpg

    With this in mind would any one care to speculate in a bit more detail on the make-up of a Syrian unit which might be able to give a Stryker company, maybe with some armour support, a reasonable match in a non-MOUT setting, other than a pure ambush. Apologies, my knowledge of post WW2 formations and equipment is rather limited, but I'm keen to read what the cream of the Syrian army might be able to offer.

    Hoping somebody knowledgeable will take the time; thanks in advance.

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    Add on Mods

    in Combat Mission Shock Force 1

    Posted

    Originally posted by ParaBellum:

    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by zwinship:

    Will we have a genaric 3rd world "gorilla force"?

    That would be awesome. The total lack of gorillas in previous Combat Mission games has always been a great disappointment for me. </font>
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