Edmund Blackadder

>A certain game you are not mentioning doesn't do all of the things I just mentioned No, but all not implemetented derive from a (flawed?) 3D engine, which the not mentioned game doesn't contain... >as well as the things you mentioned. Every single item listed count as for 'direct fire accuracy' and 'spotting' respectively in the not mentioned game. RTFM. And for your info folks: in the not mentioned game the Tigers vs. Shermans long distance shootouts usually renders in a not so funny sight if you're the allied commander You know what? I'll run the same one Jochen (or whoever it was) did and present the results here! [This message has been edited by Edmund Blackadder (edited 11-20-2000).]

>Correct, unit size and type does influence spotting. Buttoned/unbuttoned also has a huge impact. Sure Steve, SOP doctrines matter and apparent size matters (I assume CM uses this), but so does relative angles of vehicles, and more so apparent _traverse_ speed of target, not to forget other factors such as target silhouetted, suppression level of spotting unit, morale of spotting unit, training of spotting unit, movement rate of spotting unit, direction of spotting unit (units are likely to spot more in front than in rear and flanks), illumination level of area, terrain fluctuations, terrain, weather/atmosphere conditions, dust/smoke levels, lighting level, foilage level, LOS, time of day, target quantity, target currently sighted and being re sighted, and also unit type and concealment level... how much of this is modeled in CM? That other not so graphically enhanced game takes quite a lot into consideration I would say . >Also don't forget that CM at the moment has "absolute spotting" so once a unit is spotted EVERY friendly unit can, in theory (LOS), see it too. This doesn't sound like 'the most realistic tactical wargame ever made' to me at all. The word that comes to mind is.... GAMEY. [This message has been edited by Edmund Blackadder (edited 11-19-2000).]

ehrm... reading this discussion raises some questions on CM, which I would like answered. I assume direct fire accuracy (not penetration) is dependant on: - A general weapon system accuracy rating - LOS - Wind speed - Suppression of firing unit - Range - Illumination - Trajectory Deviation - Target elevation - Firing unit speed - Target unit speed - Unit ROF settings (higher = lower accuracy) - Acquisition increase on first 3-4 shots - Target silhouetted or not - Firing unit morale - Firing unit training - Reduced initial fire (due to traverse) - Target terrain Since CM is proclaimed as 'the most realistic tactical game ever made' all this surely comes into play, does it not? Anyway, it does in a not so graphically enhanced game from a publisher I figure I can't mention on this forum [This message has been edited by Edmund Blackadder (edited 11-19-2000).]

>Doc, your a funny guy, I like you! I really really do!! Your like comedy relief. Whenever I get bored I read the threads that you participate in. I guess I'm a weed (or is that a roach?). You make me laugh. To think that there is a person that exists that has your personality. My mind just fills with wonder and awe at your comedic timing. Whenever a thread is about to cool down you jump right in there and fan the flames to keep the show going. BRAVO BRAVO (standing applause). I, for one, hope you never leave this forum. Tell you the truth, it was getting kind of stuffy in here with all that talk about armor penetrations; MG42's; rosters; newbies; turrent rotation rates; texture mods; when CM2 is coming out; Do a search threads; Hacking; and, lets not forget, HAMSTERS. ------------------ goes forth!

Leland, A very interesting and important topic indeed. I must admit I have wondered myself on this. To me, such handles are provocative and I always associate BAD from them even if no harm was meant. I think maybe some manners of taste would be appropriate. Never forget GAMES are fun, wars are NOT. There is reading out there if one's interested in what wars really are like and what they do to individuals, people and countries... of course, there may not be so many pictures of tigers in such books ------------------ goes forth! [This message has been edited by Edmund Blackadder (edited 08-26-2000).]