SirReal
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Did you adjust for impact angle? You must have, otherwise the figures are way too high. Germans usually tested penetration at 30 degree angle - Russians generally tested at right angles. ToW doesn't state which, so we'll assume right angles for ToW values (1C are russian, after all).Originally posted by Normal Dude:Lots of stuff, see above
PzGr 39
Distance -- RealWorld -- ToW
500 -- 128 -- 83
1000 -- 115 -- 69
2000 -- 92 -- 48
PzGr 40
Distance -- RealWorld -- ToW
500 -- 154 -- 95
1000 -- 133 -- 74
2000 -- 98 -- 45
So if your figures are correct, and the ToW figures are comparable (measuring steel penetration and right angles), then ToW data is, well, crap.
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I'm disappointed. The game can be fixed, but there's a lot to do. Basic things, too, like making the weapon data historically accurate, and making sure soldiers have basic self-preservation instincts.
Currently, it's micromanagement hell with bad data.
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To answer the OP's questions:
Are my soldiers stupid?
Yes.
Or are they just programmed that way?
Yes.
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I just realized that it's all a misunderstanding on my part. I've been thinking that the game's AI was short for "Artificial Intelligence", but I realize now that it stands for "Actual Idiots".
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Is this for real?
Comparison of russian T34/43 76mm tank gun, firing APCR, and a german PzIVH 75mm tank gun, also firing APCR:
T34/43 APCR:
Initial velocity: 950 m/s
Grouping: 2.06
Penetration at 1000m: 92mm
PzIVH APCR:
Initial velocity: 990 m/s
Grouping: 2.06
Penetration at 1000m: 74mm
Are you kidding me? AFAIK russian ammo was of significantly lower quality than german ammo, not the other way around!
Oh wait. It's a russian developer.
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Oh yes. Very much so. In fact, my tank had an attack order on them, and was driving towards them to get a firing solution. Once it got a LOF, though, the driver's AS (Actual Stupidity) kicked in.Originally posted by chanss:Was the enemy tanks really spotted by your tank?
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(All of these occured playing German campaign on Veteran)
When faced with enemy tanks at close range (200m) straight ahead, the driver (skill 97) decides that the correct thing to do is to turn the tank 180 degrees around, thus insuring that the gunner can't aim and that the enemy tanks can fire at the weakest spots.
When the 37mm KwK HE ammo is ineffective against the gun shield of a 75mm howitzer, the correct thing to do (according to the skill 60 gunner) is to fire another 40 rounds HE, just in case the first 10 were somehow defective.
When you and your three mates are the only friendlies left on the battlefield, and the enemy tanks are rolling around squishing your pals, the correct thing to do is... nothing. (Surrender? Run away? Nooo... not THIS AI.)
If you're a qualified tank gunner sitting in the loaders seat of a tank, and the guy in the gunners seat don't know anything about a tank gun, the correct thing is to sit still and die. Unless of course, the battallion commander comes along and tells you to switch places. Because thats how stupid you are.
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Use the 'B' key to change ammo types (works fine as gunner). The left ammo graphic (in the gunners sight view) shows the round selected, the right one the loading state.
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Poodlepuddlers. In the spirit of the holiday season, I'd like to wish you all a better personal hygiene, less warts, and the capacity to tie your shoelaces without drooling. But I have better things to do, so I won't.
Go sort your feces collections by smell, you lice-covered hairballs, you deformed platypus fornicators. I hate you all.
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It's a CC3 mod.I am sure y'all want to know what's coming, but if you haven't been following the gossip, then go and take a look on the Forums and you will find more information. However, before you reach for the change of underwear, a reminder that this is a re-release not a new release, and is based on Close Combat III, the version that delivered requisition points, soldier history, superb Scenario creation, (yes yes, and a linear Campaign System). But, there are additions and improvements which we believe delivers compelling game play. For example, you will have to pay more attention to your use of Command Teams! -
This game could be awesome. I just hope BF.com manages to push 1C to indeed make this realistic and with a wicked AI (as opposed to arcade and scripted lameness).
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Best one?
M.I. Tin: Ass Combo!
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Useless? I think not. Without it, we'd never make such cool boats!Originally posted by Battlefront.com:Then you'll be just like Sweden, but with more useless coastal property.
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The G3 is also used by the Swedish Home Guard (slightly modified, locally known as the AK4) with a red dot sight and plastic buttstock/handle to cut down on weight.
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Shaw had a contest and I didn't give a sheep!
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The FOOL! He told us his name and location! HAHAA! Expect CM:SF release date to be announced imminently.
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In reality, people wouldn't take cover inside a dinky little house made of plywood like that... =)Originally posted by Cpl Steiner:In reality it looks like a squad would only be able to last out in a building like that for a minute or two before it ceased to provide any cover at all.
To contrast that example with one from the other end, have a look at the Reichstag durning WWII, who shook off 20cm artillery shells. Now *thats* what you want to take cover inside!
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Swedish Army MOUT infantry units uses pretty much exclusively 7.62mm small arms weapons, Carl-Gustav recoilless launchers and AT-4's. Standard procedures include firing 84mm HEAT aiming below windows to hit the radiator, which will then bounce around nicely in the room inside, and sweeping floors with 7.62 MMG fire straight thru the building interior walls.
5.56 was deemed way to weak for MOUT.
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Also, it should be noted that light rounds (as in, not much weight) are more easily deflected by small branches and other foliage. Thus, while hiding directly behind a bush won't help vs 5.56, trying to shoot through foliage a few meters away at a distant target (100m+) will impact hit chances. You might not hit a branch, but then, if you do, it's a guaranteed miss.
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Only on European newsstands. In America, you'd have to pay a serious premium to see the handsome, blue-eyed Youthful Foreign Faggot propositioned by the Crone.Originally posted by Seanachai:</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SturmSebber:
Some people's lives resemble a romatic novel, an intellectual artwork, an exciting detective.... mine resembles a cheap porn magazine.
That's because you goddamn Europeans have the Economic sense of a fecking house pet. Here in America, we understand the 'Economic Pornography Factor'. This is the 'multiplier of effect and expense' that goes hand in hand with how sick, disturbing and wrong the image is.
Simply put, if the Image/movie/act involved is disgusting enough to turn the stomach of any normal pervert, then the people who need this sort of thing to 'get off' will be willing to pay any money for it, because it's not something they will ever encounter in their day to day round of perversion.
If the only way you can reach orgasm is by watching a Twenty-Something Belgian Homosexual be hideously groped and sexually and emotionally scarred by a toothless Hag in her underwear, then the chances are that you're willing to spend something on the order of the high 5 figures in order to arrive at the sort of weekend that most people without a dependency on extremely unnatural acts take for granted.
Oh, don't be a baby. You two should have been able to make up your differences by exchanging notes on technique! </font>Originally posted by SturmSebber:I'm off now , to the clinic, to see if anything can be done to prevent retinal detachment.
Frightened greetings,
Sturmy
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Ah, yes. "The Look". Terrifying, indeed.
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Peng damn it! Now they've gone and surgically implanted melons not only in their tongues, but also in their hands!
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After checking F2C2 out I can't say I'm impressed. It's more interesting as an example of US Army propaganda than as a computer game.
Accurate gun data?
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Well, they seem to have taken most of their russian data from battlefield.ru:
http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=6&id=33&Itemid=49
This lists the Certified Penetration for the F-34 @ 1000m to be 68mm with good quality ammo -- the same gun in ToW is also listed with 68mm.
Of course, battlefield.ru also states that "Also, it is important to understand that realistic penetration values in 1941-1943 was reduced significantly due to low quality ammo."