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    Nationality differences - not based on materials

    in Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin

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    Originally posted by Michael Emrys:

    And what I am saying is that little if anything is known about comparative "overall condition". If you have some hard data to amaze us with, by all means bring it forth. So far, all you've presented are unsubstantiated opinions, opinions that conflict with opinions expressed by writers with more impressive credentials than either you or I who have consistently maintained that Australians, Canadians, and Americans were by and large the hardiest soldiers in the war.

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    Nationality differences - not based on materials

    in Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin

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    For one thing, once again individual differences would tend to blur whatever national differences might have existed
    I meant the overal kondition, i do not speak from single individuals.

    The USA are the leader in the most olympic disciplines, but should this tell me anything about the overall condition from the hole nation...i dont think so, who has the thickest people proportionally? This should be also the USA!

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    Nationality differences - not based on materials

    in Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin

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    I'm not convinced there is one...though my knowledge of German sporting activities is really limited to Jesse Owens humiliating the ubermunchkins at the Olympics
    If you want to tell me something with it, feel free. Btw. was Mr. Owens on the frontline?

    So.. i found something about the Hitleryouth:

    They where founded in 1926 with 100.000 this rised to 8.7 Mio. in 1939... 10% of hole Germans.

    DJ "Deutsche Jungvolk" are the Kids between 10-14 the real HJ are from 14-18 years old.

    Something they have (should) to do every week:

    1. (2 hours) Afternoon games without equipment (like balls)

    some gymnastic.

    2. Boxing, but only if a trainer is available.

    This i translated with a specific programm:

    (1 Sunday morning about 3-4 hours)

    Instruction: Map customer 1:25000. Get along after sun and

    clock setting-up of the map.

    In the area: Get along in the area after the map 1:25 000 connected

    with small tasks of orientation.

    Order exercises: About 15 minutes of individual training process and

    closed order of the group.

    Or:

    (1 Sunday morning about 4 - 6 hours)

    Exercise march: 10-15 kilometers with 5-10 kilograms luggage,

    ever after age and efficiency, connected with structure of camp,

    Abkochen etc. ever after weather, or with tasks of orientation with

    and without compass; Description of area, utilization of area,

    camouflaging, distance treasures.

    Or:

    Area or road run: About 5-8 minutes, speed after the weakest ones

    arrange, good runners into special departments together-let.

    Or:

    (1 Sunday morning about 3-4 hours)

    Instruction: Repetition: Map customer 1:25000. Get along after

    sun and clock, polar star, land forms, description of area.

    In the area: Get along in the area after the map. Find from visible

    points in the area on the map.

    Sehuebungen: Goals on proximity and distances construct, a goal

    recognize and describe, distance treasures.

    Or:

    (1 Saturday afternoon about 2-3 hours)

    Repetition: Gunnery: Procedure with the shot outside of the

    weapon. Triangle goals: Notice sitting at the first shot table and

    lying presented. Goals and Abkruemmen, etc..

    Source: Official gazette of the realm youth guidance from 15 March

    1934 (Institut for

    Contemporary history, Munich railways. 44.02).

    Those things i learned in my Armytime (Bundeswehr) and those little buggers startet with 10 years to read maps...omg.

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    How long have you been into it?

    in Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin

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    But the most fun was to take a model airplane I was tired of and put a couple of firecrackers in it and set fire to it. Used to get some realistic-looking crash scenes that way. Then there were the ones I shot up with my BB gun...
    haha... exactly the way i stopped my model career.. ;)

    I remember, i hade a battleship, not sure if it was the Scharnhorst or the Iowa class...but i know it was a Battleship with 9 guns 3x3. I found in a model store a real cheap engine hwo you can put it with a suction cup under those ships. Maybe this was more for bathroom gaming.. ;) The next step was to open the allready builded ship and filling with fire crackers, can tell you, it wasnt the smallest ones.. ;) then i made out of a lot igniter cord -- does exist a other word for it? a long one. To made it short...the next lake was mine...and of course, also for the ship.. ;) I didnt know before, which exquisite pyromaniac i am.. Hollywood should hire me.. :D

    The same way i destroyed the red barons proud, a red triplane and a early WWII Henschel. I hade some other models but to destroy a StugIII never! Im a Stug lover from the first second...my Tiger one i couldn hurt also.

    The way to play with my little soldiers in the garden of my parents was to simulate handgrenades with those mini crackers and the replacement for a flamethrower, i used a small squirt filled with gasoline -(we found it in a abandoned scrap iron place).

    Its 20-25 years since...and it seems, nothing had changed.. :cool:

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    Nationality differences - not based on materials

    in Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin

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    I wanted only to show the pre-war differences. Im the last who tried to make someone beliving, the US, Canadians or whoever, doesnt made sport. But the like how the germans eliminated mill. of jews, with the same ambition they construct a giant army, unmatched in history. Even the allies trained her soldier mutch harder in 41, this has nothing to say. People who knows a bit about sports, will tell you, that it requires a lot more to fill the gap between an untrained man and one who made sports since his early youth.

    There are many parts to made a "good" soldier...yes, you dont need to be a 100 meter goldmedall winner, to be a succesfull tankgunner..but the overall physic conditions are only a part from the hole.

    Again, you want really compare a german 39-41 army with the pitiful remainders in 44? Come on...till then, the germs lost more Officers then the hole western allies "normal" soldiers altogether.

    Like a proverb says: "the best dies first", and after 3 Mill. deads, there arent mutch left...especialy for such a small country.

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    Nationality differences - not based on materials

    in Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin

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    To speak for the germans as a german..its like playing with white tigers.. ;)

    Im wondering, why no one mentioned how the germans were prepared for war, mentaly like physikaly. The young boys came into the Hitler Youth and became brain washed before they can think for herselfs.

    I dont say career soldiers like Rangers, Commandos were worser than the best german counterparts, but the mass of german soldiers physis and overal moral was far better then of any country, at this time in the world. That doesnt mean germans are from their birth are better soldiers or fighters, under the right circumstances, every human is able to do so.

    The hole country, or lets say the most of it hade to make what we would today call the first aerobic wave....even such stupid sports disciplines like handgrenade throwing included this...(record was 78m ;) ). I`ve never read, or heared from a vet., that not to go to the army or possible not to fight maybe even to the death, was an option.

    There was a lot more to put in this theory...like military history of the familie, the high overal educatinonal standard and the willigness to fight for the fatherland..after the mid of war the losses of the own home and the destroyed infrastructure can be ad to the stay and die mentality.To say there was no differences compared to other nations is ignorant. I do not need to wait on an answer...it will end like discussions with my dad which football team is the best.. ;)

    To ad:

    i prefer to play with blue + german equipment against green + allied eq. and vice versa. All others brings the danger to be called a right wing or N... at least here in germany.

    [ October 06, 2003, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: K_Tiger ]

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    An idea for Italians in CMAK

    in Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin

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    Hi Mr. Dorosh.. :D

    I guess we're supposed to admire the Germans for being too weak-willed and/or stupid to surrender in February 1943 when they should have, ensuring the deaths of millions more people, the razing of thousands of acres of useable farmland, destruction of entire cities and rail networks, and etc.

    Hmmm.. you are thinking the poor civilians hade a choice to surrender? Im skeptical at this...with the figthing man busy on the front and the Gestapo in the back...plus the outstandingly Bombing of civilians who put them more together, from the ideology standpoint.

    The only group was the military who was able to stop AH and his comrades...but after 43 he put to many AH faithfools into the Wehrmacht...not to mention the growing up SS-Units.

    Some Generals tryed it...but this crap wont die...so the History ended how wie know it today...and no Civilian revolt hade stopped this.

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    The Most Brutal Battle of the Eastern Front - Your Opinion

    in Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin

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    Exactly. Unless someone wants to define "brutal" in a way that might help us better understand the question, the entire war could be categorized
    Maybe he means the place where we dont want to be at last...

    I would say for myself, its in front of Moskow...without the proper clothes.. not to mention those boots with steel nails in it... :(

    At all, to be wounded in the could is one of my nightmares...

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    Close combat series: how do you guys feel about it?

    in Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin

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    #2 was the height of gameyness. If you engineered your units to have 2 88's at one point, and perched them up on a hill, they could shoot through a small gap in some other hills to the east and slaughter the soviets in their setup area
    Heul doch!

    are there any games outside where you cant be gamey? I mean without thousend of rules who cut the main of fun out of the game.

    CC2 hade one of the best Grand Campaigns i ever saw on a screen and thus a lot of fun and thrill. It hade also drawbacks, like pivoting tanks when you dont need it..ect.

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    Animal Killers or Accidental Tourists?

    in Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin

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    @LongLeft...

    If i understand him right, he was told how to engage Tigers...but he didnt mentioned that he did it actualy!?

    Those fantasies from alone, single Tigers (or anything else in this category) isnt the norm, if it happend at all.

    If you know something about Tank tactics, you will see on the Field at least two Tanks, one does mostly give cover from behind....(no, i doesnt mean on the ...parade :eek: ).

    Another question is, how long the "bait" lifes after he comes into the firelane of an ennemy tank? If he survive a second shot, he must be a lucky one. Not really enough time for the "catcher" to reach a possible 80-90 degree position to a Tiger for a sure penetration.

    The single story sounds like..."...Hands up, you are surounded, we are two..." Maybe the last they heard, was laughter.... :D:D

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    Battle of Berlin (Hist.Ch. U.S.) 8 p.m. E/ 7p.m. Central. Sat

    in Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin

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    @Grisha:

    Operational art is where the Soviets beat the Germans. The Germans were superior at the tactical level, but showed poor understanding of the range of the operational level, and were literally naïve in their understanding of the strategic.

    Wasn`t it more a matter of equipment? How would the russian "Operational art" looks like without hundred of thousend of U.S. made Trucks and other mobile equipment? Now it`s the "germans" why not say A.H. himself was the poor understander (yeah...spelling.. ;) ) Dont think you can blame the Army staff for A.H.`s mistakes!
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