--am-- Posted September 8, 2002 Share Posted September 8, 2002 In 1941-42 employees of tank test range the typical line of an estimation was developed speed of shooting. On range have laid rectilinear road, on which both parties within the limits of course corner of 10-30 degrees in limits of 400-600 meters were placed various purposes - from "Machine gun" up to " of the heavy tank " (only 5 purposes). Test began with an output the tank on a hill and opening of all purposes, and was finished only then, when all purposes were struck. The data on three tests and two-move 2-3 crews (KV-2 and Tiger - 2 made only on one test). 1941-42 Pz III: 5-9 shots / minutes, T-34 for unprepared crews: 1-3 shots / minutes, T-34 for the prepared crews: 3-5 shots / minutes, KV-1: 4-6 shots / minutes, KV-2: 1 shot 3,5 minutes 1942 Pz III (long): 5-7 shots / minutes, T-34: 3-5 shots / minutes, KV-1: 4-5 shots / minutes 1943 Pz III: 5... 9 shots / minutes, PzIV: 4-7 shots / minutes, PzV: 3-6 shots / minutes PzVI: 2-3 shots / minutes, T-34: 3-6 shots / minutes, KV-1: 6 shots / minutes 1944. On test of a Tiger - 2 is achieved battle speed of shooting 4-5 shots / minutes. T-34-85 with cannon D-5 at conducting fire with places 7-8 shots / minutes, in movement with stops on a shot 2-3 shots / minutes. T-34-85 with the cannon C-53 in fight 4-6 shots / minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted September 8, 2002 Share Posted September 8, 2002 That is very interesting. May I ask how you came by this information? Do you have more of this kind of information? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSword Posted September 9, 2002 Share Posted September 9, 2002 AM, Very vague information How was target aqcuisition done, buttoned or unbuttoned ? What means prepared/unprepared crew and all the other modes ? Where those executed also with german tanks and compared accordingly ? What state did the german crews have prep or unprep ? Where the crews for the german tanks trained on and familiar with the tank ? Were the german crews trained with german training methods to the level according to war years ? Greets Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted September 9, 2002 Share Posted September 9, 2002 The test does seem a bit fuzzy, in so much as what were the restrictions and criteria? If you look to French reports on the Panther (1950s) a prepared loader was only restricted to 20 rds a min due to recoil forces of the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--am-- Posted September 9, 2002 Author Share Posted September 9, 2002 The data from military archive. The tests carried spent on the Soviet range the Soviet crews (in German tanks too Soviet crews). The tests are approached to real fight, therefore speed of shooting still includes also search of the purposes. In early German tanks the shells of small length were used therefore charging could quickly charge the instrument. In the late versions the shells were long, therefore speed of shooting has fallen. Besides for example on IS-122 there were two charging, that has allowed to increase speed of shooting in 2.5 times in comparison with IS-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wodasini88 Posted September 9, 2002 Share Posted September 9, 2002 what exactly am I seeing here in this information besides rounds per minute? And what is a prepared and unprepared crew? Sorry the grammer is very hard to interprate but I am still interested in the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--am-- Posted September 9, 2002 Author Share Posted September 9, 2002 And what you want to see except for one shot / minute? There was a test. Each new Soviet tank and the German tank (trophy) him passed on range. On the basis of these data the manuals for the Soviet crews were written. The unprepared team, is crew, which was not in fight and had preparation received in a school. The prepared crew is crew having battle experience or crew of the verifiers of the factory - manufacturer of tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wodasini88 Posted September 10, 2002 Share Posted September 10, 2002 ok I get it more now thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rum Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 I had some conversation with -am- via icq and we've found some grammar mistakes in his posts By "purpose" he meant "target". By "prepared crew" he mean "trained crew". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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