Gary T Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 After glancing through the 1941 OOB's I thought the uber-GJ automatic squad from CMBO had been dropped. Hurray I cried for historical authenticity! All German infantry squads loaded out the same - 8 x rifles, 1 x SMG and 1 x LMG. But hold on what's this...in 1942 the GJ and Jaeger (I assume these are the battalions from the Jaeger divisions not the independent ones) gain an extra SMG and by 1943 have 7 SMG compared to the normal infantry's 1. What is the reasoning behind this? German non mechanised squads were organised the same - I know of no differing TOEs for GJ/Jaeger/infantry squads. Is it to give more variety/more units or are there some TOE's that have come to light? Cheers, Gary. [ October 25, 2002, 01:36 PM: Message edited by: Gary T ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigCheese Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 [ October 25, 2002, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: TheBigCheese ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Leader Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Good answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary T Posted October 25, 2002 Author Share Posted October 25, 2002 Well, I'm satisfied with that response. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 I can honestly say that's the funniest four posts I have ever read on any site It just tickled me, I'm still laughing [ October 25, 2002, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: Ant ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 The Jaeger squad with lot's of SMG is correct, AFAIK, I have seen the same TOE table in the Nafziger collection (I assume this source is right, it qoutes original WWII German TOE). What the sense should be? Jaeger troops are not just light infantry. Their speciality was (and still is) fighting in difficult terraine like woods and cities - I must know it, I was in Jaegerbattalion 66 during my military service Both offer only limited LOS, so a hight load of close combat weapons make sense. However in CMBB does only Jaeger/GB 43 squads use this TOE. I don't know about the real historical reasons - maybe the Fuehrer decided about it by inspirations given to him from his flatulences. [ October 25, 2002, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: Scipio ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary T Posted October 26, 2002 Author Share Posted October 26, 2002 I think the Jaegerbatallion's of the Bundeswehr are far more specialised than the Jager battalions inherent in Jaeger divisions. (note I'm not referring to the 10 or so independent Jaeger battalions). This TOE you refer to - could you post it? Does it refer to the independent Jaeger battalions (also sometimes called Jagdbatallions) who may well have been given a higher laodout in automatic weapons given their projected role (which wasn't always adhered to). The divisional Jaeger units were not specially trained for fighting in cities or as use as specialist assault troops as they are, or will be, used in CMBB QB's. True they were designed to operate in hilly terrain and their training and replacement system was tied in with that of the Gebirgsjaeger...personnel formally from Jaeger units might find themselves sent to a GJ unit after wounds or injury and vice versa. They also aped the GJ in wearing Bergmuetze and mountian boots. Still stand by my belief that GJ and Jaeger squads wer armed as per normal infantry. they may have had a higher automatic content to their squads when fighting in certain terrain, such as the forests of the Caucasus for example, but you can bet your arse that the normal infantry divisions did the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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