Pain Posted November 20, 2000 Share Posted November 20, 2000 What can I do, when a behicle gets immobile because of snow or mud? Is there a possibility to save the vehicle/tank? ------------------ War is in my heart Death is by my side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ciks Posted November 20, 2000 Share Posted November 20, 2000 Well, if it is IMMOBILIZED, then there's nothing you can do. Think of it as gun emplacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samhain Posted November 20, 2000 Share Posted November 20, 2000 If it's just bogged, try stopping existing movement orders, then rotate and reverse. That will often--but definitely not always--free the vehicle. ------------------ Hope you got your things together, Hope you are quite prepared to die. --CCR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted November 20, 2000 Share Posted November 20, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Samhain: If it's just bogged, try stopping existing movement orders, then rotate and reverse. That will often--but definitely not always--free the vehicle. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hmm, IIRC the official answer is that it does not matter what you do when it gets bogged. The crew will try to get it out anyway. Nothing to do with reversing etc., since the time it takes to unbog it is actually simulating guys getting out and using shovels and whatnot. I think either Charles or Madmatt stated that a while back, but don't ask me where. ------------------ Andreas <a href="http://www.geocities.com/greg_mudry/sturm.html">Der Kessel</a > Home of „Die Sturmgruppe“; Scenario Design Group for Combat Mission. Germans - they come here, they shag our anteaters. (Angus Deaton) [This message has been edited by Germanboy (edited 11-20-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samhain Posted November 20, 2000 Share Posted November 20, 2000 Yeah, I don't know if that advice is a CM "urban myth" or not, but it does seem to help ------------------ Hope you got your things together, Hope you are quite prepared to die. --CCR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Petersson Posted November 20, 2000 Share Posted November 20, 2000 Another option is to smash another AFV into the immobilized one... It's known to work once in a while. Cheers Olle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samhain Posted November 20, 2000 Share Posted November 20, 2000 Also if you're either wise (or paranoid, I'm not sure which), plan your AFV routes in bad terrain/weather conditions so that if the vehicle gets immobilized, you'll still be able to use it effectively. On Chance Encounter, one of my StuG's got immobilized in a horseshoe-shaped depression, so that it's LOS was literally only a meter in front of it. One of those situations where you don't know whether to laugh or cry ------------------ Hope you got your things together, Hope you are quite prepared to die. --CCR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudeLover Posted November 20, 2000 Share Posted November 20, 2000 Hmm. Are you sure it was really immobilized? "Hans, you say FIVE shermans coming?" "Ja, Klaus, five. And they just killed our platoon-mates." "Hans, look, we are immobilized! In this safe horseshoe-shaped depression! Mien Gott what bad luck!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckshyesh Posted November 20, 2000 Share Posted November 20, 2000 Hmmm, I've had luck with just deleting all movement commands and waiting. During the following turn, there is usually a grinding noise, and the vehicle has lost its "bogged" status. While this practice occasionally immobilizes the vehicle, I think it's more successful than trying to move it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samhain Posted November 21, 2000 Share Posted November 21, 2000 RudeLover, come to think of it, when I zoomed the camera down, I thought I heard a drinking song coming from the StuG ------------------ Hope you got your things together, Hope you are quite prepared to die. --CCR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pain Posted November 21, 2000 Author Share Posted November 21, 2000 I had this situation: My Jagdtiger gets bogged in in snow. Then the status was "bogged". After several rounds the tanks didn't move and wasn't hit, but then the status was "immobile". Does that mean, the crew did not success in freeing the tank? ------------------ War is in my heart Death is by my side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Petersson Posted November 21, 2000 Share Posted November 21, 2000 Paine: Yes! Cheers Olle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted November 22, 2000 Share Posted November 22, 2000 Being bogged down is one situation, being immobilized is another. I have seen tanks that were bogged down eventually work their way free. Being bogged down means the tank could move but it's stuck. In the case of immobilization, it's pretty much a lost cause. When a tank does bog down or become immobilized, check it each turn to see if it can move again. I have been plesantly surprised more than once. In the case of Fear in the Fog, one of my Shermans bogged down. Three turns later, it was free to move. So it can happen. ------------------ Wild Bill Lead Tester Scenario Design Team Combat Mission-Beyond Overlord billw@matrixgames.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lepton Posted November 23, 2000 Share Posted November 23, 2000 Well, I've played with this a bit, and frankly, it doesn't seem to matter what you do when a vehicle gets "bogged in". I tried a) leaving the existing orders deleting all orders and c) ordering a reverse move. I don't really have enough tests to be accurate, but it appears not to matter what course you choose. My guess is that every turn that the vehicle is "bogged in" there is some chance that the crew will unstick it and some chance that it will get totally stuck (immobilized). Otherwise it stays in the "bogged" state. I've taken to either erasing the orders or giving a simple move order toward more stable ground, but these actions are mostly as a reminder that this unit needs some attention to see if it gets out or not. I've found that leaving the original orders can get you in trouble as the unit may execute them at a time you are not expecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dNorwood Posted November 24, 2000 Share Posted November 24, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wild Bill Wilder: Being bogged down is one situation, being immobilized is another. I have seen tanks that were bogged down eventually work their way free. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> THere is a thread in the main CM baord that has statistics on this very issue - mostly chances of bogging under certian condition, but also chance of getting free if you do bog. Seems the bottom line is go everywhere backwards!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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