dgaad Posted October 25, 2002 Author Share Posted October 25, 2002 I attack not the leaders themselves but their inefficient, ineffective, cowardly democratic systems.Yet another person on this board now becomes familiar with the EB, unmasked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archibald Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 I thought this was a very interesting mod dgaad. How about a "Tukhachevsky Lives!" mod where Hitler confronts a Red Army that was never purged? I'm sure that would be a popular one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgaad Posted October 25, 2002 Author Share Posted October 25, 2002 Or a modified Barbarossa scenario in which the Allies are out of the war. Lets see how the Russkies do then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acambria Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 EB. This pro Stalin crap that you keep spewing out is starting to tick me off. The fact is that this lunatic murdered 30 million of his own people (19 million more than Hitler did). He was a buffoon, as well as a poor strategist. Unlike what you said Stalin did not purge his officers because they were poor commanders, he purged them because he was a paraniod pyscho. In the summer of 41' soon after the Germans invaded the Soviet Union, many of its people particularly in the Ukaraine and the Baltic States viewed the Germans as liberators, entire armys surrendured to them without a fight, expecting fair treatment. It was only when horrific stories began to emerge about the attrocities that they were committing was when the the Soviets began to show their ressolve and willingness to fight drive the invader off their soil. The fact was that Russian people were not fighting for Stalin, they were fighting for their lives. Germany was beating the Soviet Union up until late 1942 when their army in Stalingrad was encircled. They carried the initiative until July 1943 when they were defeated at the battle of Kursk. The fact was that the Soviet Union broke the stalemate in the East AFTER the Western Allies routed Rommel from North Africa and prepared to open up a new front in Southern Europe. In 1943 they were strengthening their bombing campaign which was begining to take a toll on the German Industry. It was not until the summer of 1944 AFTER the invasion of Western Europe when the USSR launched Operation Bagration in Poland that completely destroyed an entire German army group, which subseqently drove the Germans back to the borders of the Reich. Contrary to what you stated, the United States employed large forces Western Europe (1.5 million men)and the German army also had a large force their as well. Not to mention the cream of their army, their airborne and SS Panzer Armies. The Russian war effort was largely funded by the U.S as well. Notice all their jeeps, halftracks, trucks and Shermans that you see all of the Russian soldiers driving around in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgaad Posted October 25, 2002 Author Share Posted October 25, 2002 Acambria : do a search on these forums for the user EB. You can read all of his "greatest hits." Learn this : EB *knows* what Stalin did. The problem is . . . he thinks Stalin was right and moral. You will therefore never teach him anything, and *he* will never learn anything. If he were here saying the same thing about Hitler, he would be banned by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmatt Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Guys, this is a STRATEGIC COMMAND forum, not a area for geo-political posturing. If you want to sing and dance about the praises of Stalinism or Communism or Socialism or what ever, hey guess what? DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!?! What do you think you will accomplish? A change of someone's government because of your rather limited appraisal of history? Gee, he is right, my system of government DOES SUCK cuz some loser on a forum told me so. Discussions like this are tiresome in the extreme and have NO place here on our forums. As to your thoughts that the Soviet Union was successful BECAUSE of Communism I think is laughable. Rather it was successful IN SPITE of it. It was only when Stalin backed off the day to day running of the war that military victories started going their way and the balance of power started to turn in the East. Communism so permeated the way the military was structured that it was only after huge defeats and loses of life that a more flexible, more adaptable internal military infrastructure was implemented and even then it was still functionally far more rigid than other combatant in WWII next to perhaps Imperial Japan. Rigidity like that can be a benefit to a nation besieged but when on the offensive, quick thinking and creative imagination are what often win the day. It was Stalin's "tolerance" to allow a few select people under him to operate without (too much) interference that allowed victories at Stalingrad and Kursk and the planning and commencement of the final offenses into Austria and Germany, not their adherence to communist doctrine. I also take offense to how you, EB, so vehemently attacked the original poster that was just trying to make a modification to the game. Maybe its NOT 100% historical maybe it is, none of us have omnipotent deduction of the past but the fact remains in that HE is trying to support the game as a mod author and you dumping a pile of undeserved and unjustified **** on his plate. And I won't stand for it. Mod authors do what they do for the love of the game and for the enjoyment they get outa of re-shaping things to better fit a image that THEY HAVE. I for one, applaud their efforts and have always and will always defend them when the need arises. I don't care if you think one government is right or better or more adaptable. Such discussions have occurred in public since the early days of the great Greek thinkers but when you start attacking a mod author then you better be prepared to go toe to toe with me little man. Then of course, since I live in a inept society with a inferior system of government I can just as easily pull the plug on your manifesto anytime I want. This little pissing match is OVER though gentleman. No more debates on this will be permitted as they always seem to go widely out of control and I have neither the time nor inclination to baby-sit them any further. I see it crop up again, someone will get banned. Madmatt p.s. Dgaad, do not be detered by your detractors. Keep on modding and making the game better and better! [ October 25, 2002, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: Madmatt ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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