lwchen Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 I'm attempting to relate SC's research levels to actual real-life units that were developed during WW2. Where would you place these and perhaps other units? Tanks Level 1: German Panzer 4, US Grant Level 2: British Churchill, US Sherman, USSR T-34 Level 3: German Tank Destroyers with 88mm, USSR KV-2 Level 4: German Panthers, USSR IS-2, US Pershing Level 5: German King Tigers Infantry (based upon logistics, mobility, artillery support, and sheer manpower available) Level 1: France, Italy Level 2: Level 3: Britain Level 4: Germany, USSR Level 5: USA Fighters Level 1: British Hurricane, US P-40, USSR Yak-9, Italy MC-200, French D-520 Level 2: German Me-109, US P-47, USSR La-7 Level 3: German FW-190, US P-38, British Spitfire Level 4: US P-51D Level 5: German Me-262 Strategic bombers Level 1: USSR Pe-2, US B-24, British Blenheim Level 2: US B-17 FF, British Lancaster Level 3: Level 4: US B-29 SF Level 5: Battleships Level 1: US Tennessee class, British Nelson class, Italian and French ships Level 2: British King George V class Level 3: German Bismarck class Level 4: US Iowa class Level 5: Japanese Yamato class Aircraft Carriers Level 1: US and British CVEs, German Graf Zeppelin Level 2: British CVs Level 3: US CVs Level 4: Level 5: Submarines: Level 1: France, Italy, USSR Level 2: Britain Level 3: USA Level 4: Germany Level 5: Granted there are many variations of each unit, but in genereal, where would the entire class fit into the research ladder? The idea is to provide a limit to the number of research levels each country could attain according to what they really accomplished during the war. For example, only Germany and the US would be able to research level 4+ planes since, well, they were historically the only countries that developed such technologically advanced planes. It's an option I've been kicking around to keep research from being too decisive a factor while maintaining historical accuracy. Your input would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl G. E. von Mannerheim Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 Sounds good to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John DiFool Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 Originally posted by lwchen: I'm attempting to relate SC's research levels to actual real-life units that were developed during WW2. Where would you place these and perhaps other units? Fighters Level 1: British Hurricane, US P-40, USSR Yak-9, Italy MC-200, French D-520 Level 2: German Me-109, US P-47, USSR La-7 Level 3: German FW-190, US P-38, British Spitfire Level 4: US P-51D Level 5: German Me-262 I'd place the FW-190D and the Spit Mk XIV at level four-all three represented the limits of how far you could take prop-driven combat aircraft. Note that the Brits compare favorably to the other two countries... Strategic bombers Level 1: USSR Pe-2, US B-24, British Blenheim Level 2: US B-17 FF, British Lancaster Level 3: Level 4: US B-29 SF Level 5: The B-36 would fit in quite well at level 5... Battleships Level 1: US Tennessee class, British Nelson class, Italian and French ships Level 2: British King George V class Level 3: German Bismarck class Level 4: US Iowa class Level 5: Japanese Yamato class I'd place the Iowa above the Yamato if forced to choose: yes the guns of the latter were bigger, but the velocity of the Iowa's was better, and the armor and all-around seaworthiness of the Iowas were superior. If you like I guess the Montana/Lion classes could go in at level 5 (tho they were canceled at the end of the war). Aircraft Carriers Level 1: US and British CVEs, German Graf Zeppelin Level 2: British CVs Level 3: US CVs Level 4: Level 5: The Midway class could be considered level 5 (with the Essexes at 4)... Submarines: Level 1: France, Italy, USSR Level 2: Britain Level 3: USA Level 4: Germany Level 5: Type XXI is at level 5, and perhaps the canceled Walther boats at level 4? It is curious that the US never really got above 3; if the Japs had a better ASW strategy and weapons, the American subs would have been as bad off as the Type VIIs and Type IXs in the Atlantic... John DiFool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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