I think we're on the same page, mate, and that is more my point in bringing this stuff up than Roepcke style defeatism. I don't believe in a Ukrainian collapse; everybody in the country now knows the price of defeat all too well. ...But I also have little faith in a Panzerkiel of Western ubertanks, with or without supporting EW / CSIR / TAC and accompanying waves of combat sappers (Ukrainian dac cong) blasting and slashing a way through the Russian mine belts to Melitopol, or more like