noob Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 In the John Tiller game Sicily '43 there are Italian M13/40 tanks (4th/102nd Tank Battalion), however i see no sign of them in the Italian TO&E, is it going to be in CMFI or have Tiller games made a mistake ? (oops, wrong forum) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I believe they did not, though some turretless SPA based on that chassis with 75mm guns did so. The 101 and 102 battalions had French R-35 Renault tanks. If they also had any M13/40s it would be a mixed TOE affair, since they certainly had the Renaults, and they were used early in the fighting around Gela and reported on both sides etc. More likely Tiller didn't find a type designation for a subformation and made an assumption, or was confused by SPAT or SPA on that chassis that actually were present. The Italians also had L40 47mm SPAT based on the L6/40 light tank chassis in a couple of battalions, some of 75mm SPAT on M13/40 chassis, and all of 24 90mm SPA in 3 "battalions" each with 2 4 gun batteries - but those last were more meant to be used as artillery pieces than for front line combat. They also had some antedivulian Fiat 3000 light tanks dating to the 1930s (original chassis design to the mid 1920s, based off the French FT-17 of WW I, but better than that), with long 37mm and MG main armament - at least one company of those and maybe more. A typical use of all of the above was to pair an infantry battalion (with heavy weapons motorized, typically, but not all the men) with one company of Renaults and some 47mm or 75mm SPAT (4 to 12, on the L6/40 or M13/40 chassis respectively), and a few motorized field guns (from 1-2 batteries up to a battalion), and call it a "mobile group", and give it front-sealing or local-counterattack missions. There were half a dozen of those running around the island from the start, and more might be formed on an ad hoc basis later, wherever there were AFVs left to form them around. That is pretty much what the Italians had for armor in Sicily. I hope this helps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 This thread is a duplicate of this one: http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=105080 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noob Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 Thanks Jason, all the responses so far have confirmed the absence of the M13/40 from the Sicilian theatre, so i will be removing it from the Sicily' 43 OOB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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