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Originally posted by Diesel:

And for some reason you seem to think that what you have experienced and how it has changed your views, it's same for everyone else who has experienced what you have.

Exactly. You would speak differrent about wars if you were involved in any. You maybe will be angry you loose it. You may be happy you won it. You may get some of your close people killed. You know.

I don't expect from you or anyone else to understand it my way. I expect to understand it in any way other than "Oh, shut up".

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Originally posted by Milos - BL:

Sorry for link, it has been wrongly entered by the forum. The correct one is http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/TrailOfTears-sm.jpg

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Regarding one-sided view, this may be your interpretation only. For instance, there are main-stream media and opinios which made such picture, but it cannot be said that whole Europe thinks the same.

Dude, you are going off-topic here.

I saw that picture before. Sad thing.

I will just say that Croats who fled from the Serbian territories on the beggining of the war didn't have tractors. Just plastic bags.

Victims are victims. And nothing remains the same after the war. Same for the Serbs, Muslims and Croats.

And for media and different interpretations (especially of the numbers, which are easy to manipulate), I will just say that everyone has their agenda. I have mine, you got yours.

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Originally posted by Diesel:

You have my condolences.

I haven't asked for your condolence. But it is ok, if it got no cheap irony attached to it.

Originally posted by Diesel:

However it doesn't make your statement any less stupid. It's basically the same if I said that someone has obviously never fired a gun in his life to someone who said that guns are dangerous, without knowing anything else about that person except the view he/she has.

I think that you are pulling things out of context:

Originally posted by Diesel:

Why is it that nobody complains about German panzers being the stars of games like Panzer Commander/Elite? After all, they represented a far greater evil, but for some reason that's ok and BoF having Serbian T-72 is not....

Prove me wrong, but you said to the original poster that there is lack of complaining about Nazi Tanks compared to complaining about Serbian tanks? Bad choice of words.

I could never tell that war I was involved in was bigger, better or worse, more important war than anybody else's war.

Comparing one war with another so ligthly as you is privilege of people never touched by war personally.

That is where I drew my "stupid" statement.

Originally posted by Diesel:

And answer to your question, no I am lucky to not have such experience.

Then my judgement wasn't false, after all.

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Originally posted by Milos - BL:

I am from Balkans, living in Bosnia. Through last decade we were satanised and demonised by mass media worldwide so it become "normal" to see people around watching us as "woman killers, rapers, slaughters" etc. There are many naive fools who consider our whole nation as terroists, criminals and assassins.

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Anyways, it will be pleasure to me to play this game. It would be fine if there happen another similar game, like fighting NATO forces in Balkans, Albanian terrorists, fighting mujaheedins camps in Bosnia and so on.

From your point of view it seems that one side there was pure victims. And the rest of Europe wrongly sees all of you as killers and rapists. Which is a common things to all sides which lost the war. But don't you think you see things too one-sided?

Truth is somewhere in between, as always.

BTW, picture link is dead.

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Originally posted by Diesel:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bastich:

It ain't stupid at all.

When you make a statement where you pass judgement on others on whether they have been in a war or not purely on their views about evil, yes it is stupid. </font>

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I don't see why my opinion bothers you, anyway. Because I told you that you don't have any real war experience? I said that you are fortunate if you don't have it. Excuse me if I insulted a war hero in disguise. EOD.

No, it bothers me because it's a stupid thing to say. [/QB]

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Originally posted by Diesel:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Oh, BTW, I read quite a few books. I talked to quite a few war veterans from different wars. And no one ever told me there is way to compare human suffering. So I think you should patent it.

Well I have talked quite a few veterans too and read quite a few books. All pretty much agree with me. So why don't you wise up and stop being spokesperson for people who haven't given you that title? </font>

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Originally posted by Diesel:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bastich:

People who can say which tanks were "greater evil" (Which is the criteria for measuring evil?) or that games based on real events are pure fiction, fortunately for them, obviously don't have any real war experience at all.

Don't you just love people who make such stupid conclusions as this?

But hey, I can make them too: People who think that "people who can say that the greatest evil ever lived on earth are Nazis, have never been in a real war" have obviously not read their history books nor talked to WW2 veterans or Jews. </font>

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Everyone can have their opinion about war based on their experience. People who can say which tanks were "greater evil" (Which is the criteria for measuring evil?) or that games based on real events are pure fiction, fortunately for them, obviously don't have any real war experience at all.

But that doesn't bother me much. I'm passionate war gamer, and I really like to have choice of sides(i.e. Axis and Allies). This often adds additional depth to the game. IMHO, Call of Duty would be better with playable Axis in the single mode.

In this case it should be said that both sides used almost the same weaponry (tanks, guns, planes) and that it was not too

hard to implement other side into game.

Disclaimer: While set during a real-world conflict, this game is not intended as a political statement or to imply any support of the various factions involved. The Yugoslavian civil war has been, typically for civil wars, a bloody and violent struggle which left no side innocent, cost civilian lives on both sides, and in which there rarely was a “right” or “wrong” side.

But there obviously are "our" and "their" side. Or at least "sympatethic enough to portray in game" and "not sympatethic enough to portray in game" side. What more describes real attitude of developers in this case, words in disclaimer or content of the game, judge for yourself.