Wiggins

Holmes

CM series is for real elite players - thats why it wasnt hacked for so long.

Still BTF team is not interested in ??

1. My opponent has been erased from our ladder for his request. 2. He took his knowledge about how it had happened (virus theory is still possible but why it always helps him, not the opponents?). 3. BTF is not interested in.

IMO it is a resident stuff, but kind of trainer or cheater. All screens come from 2 games with the same opponent, CM:BB and CM:AK. In both games were zombies, in both games purchase were far over the limit, in game with CMAK I found this special squad. I am not witch-hunter, in fact I was hope that simple patch will solve this problem but designers are not interested in problems with old game, income-explorated. What a pity. First suggestion was to check limit of purchase just after "GO! click" after purchase. Is it simple patch, isnt it ?? For me, it is the end of this topic. EOT.

Got problem with hordes of allied in Italy ?? No problem, FJagers with 7 lmgs solve all your problems.

flamingknives --> Yes, ammo full, casualties none

Well, if designers are not interested in solving problems with their old game (benefits have been gained), why I should worry about it ?? It has been proven yesterday in our ladder that this kind of cheating IS possible. Got file 300ME, but have to forced against 15 T34. Theres no trace in brief or other parameters. Now I know it is possible - but dont tell now how to do this. If designers are not interested in patching it ... they will have to do it with CMx2 one day after releasing ...

^^up

I got file after the battle so I can show exact purchase. ME 2000 CA, 01.45 region: north 1 coy airbornes reg 1 coy rifles 44h vet 1 coy rifles 44h reg plt of 3 x t34/85 vet Polish isu122 vet Russian 3 x m3 reg 2 x ba64 reg 5 x 82mm mortars reg 2 x 76inf gun vet 2 x 25 AA green 1 x spotter 120mm reg 2 x flame vet 1 x maxim reg BTW: It was the draw after C-F, so I am not looking the explanation of being defeated

OK, possible, I am Economist not Programmer. However, he didnt tell me that he had more points for buying troops or that he had surprisengly cheap forces. He probably used situation ... Well, meybe not .. He looks like honourable player .. So how it is possible that it happened and he didnt know about it ?? Maybe somebody from BTF staff give a word or two ??

It is quite easy cheat: it is possible to set one side CA and the other unrestricted. I am not interested in previous topics when somebody suspected his opponent lying, I got saves. Sure, I have played for this game over 3 years, and somebody said on this forum that I am probably "one of the 10 best ladder player" so lack of my basis knowledge about the game is not possible. IMHO viruses cause "not working", I dont think they cause "wrong working" of the CM:BB. My opponent is not able to buy this troops now and dont know how he did it before. It seems that he bought unbelivable cheap troops for 2000 or he bought troops at normal price but with higher points limit. Nevermind, forget about it. Maybe my favourite "BTF forum theoretician" will apear on this topic, will make 1237 tests and then he will say that is not possible and I was dreaming

J_Powell --> The hell with zombie - it may happen. But how my opponnent did this that he had so many troops ?? Tell my how he did it if you are so wise and stop laughing, it is not so kind.

Nope, I have rarity standard, so my opponent, too. It is not possible to set different rarity for each side. What to do?? Do you know any other game except CM which will keep my eye for years? :eek:

This game was different. It is possible that my opponent broke code of the game. This tournament game was played by TCP, 2000ME. After the battle I bought his forces and it costs 2500 !! There wasnt any info about handicap, (yes, I am sure), I am too experienced player to miss it. It seems that my adventure with CM is over.

Glider --> Here you are

First screen is showing the first grave of this zombie, second one - place (turn or two after)where he moved after his death to die again Now it is a screenshot from my opponent a few turns later. Any suggestion??

:confused: During my 3 years adventure with CB:BB I have played 250 games against human opponents. I have seen many things, tricks, strategy, interesting purchase etc. But have never seen walking dead !! During my last TCP game, after my spotter firing I have seen enemy unit "eliminated". Eliminated I mean lying dead with label "eliminated". After 2 turns this zombie stand up, run to the forest and started to fight again !! I killed him again but it is not a point - the point is that he died TWICE !! Second time about 20m away from his first grave. I got screenshots but dont know how to paste them here. Got also saved games and I am able to send it with correct password to the BTF staff. FoW was extreme but the main rule is that dead body is a dead body in all CM games.

Probably near of the fired area you got your own troops. In this case, firing is canceling. Try to move back your troops

Designers are not the Gods. Lloth, Tempus, Mars or Ares, whatever. The main intention of the designers was "the tanks battle game" (look at the details of armor or penetrating ability in so many ranges) supported by some far inperfect infantry, not bad guns and medium support. CM is a game about infantry and guns, so if you do not buy any tanks during battle it is also "gamey" 'cause designer did not intend it?? CM is so close to "ideal game" that nobody (even designers can claim what is fair or not. Especcially so called "theorists" who made more tests than human vs human plays. In short: I am pro all new, interesting ideas. However, global splitting doesn't work, so my opinion this time is not so important

I still don't think it is a loophole. The most important is a sense of the battlefield, making decisions when split or not. I have played a lot of CMBB games, with players from all over the world, with so many tactics and tricks and I am sure that hordes of halfsquads is not a universal way to win. In other way: If one player splits all squads and his opponent plays full squads it is still equal game. Personally, it is better for me if opponents splits all or most of his troops, but if you dont mind I'll keep the reasons of that.

In the second game (yes, second, the first one started this topic) HS were needed for reasons written in this topic. The reasons were so many that in the end I got 60/40 proportion. E.q. I got plt securing my left flank. I really needed new, fresh troops in the centre, but also didnt want to leave flank unsecured. So I splited squad and moved half to the centre, while the rest was still securing the flank. About 25 turn I decided to move the rest of the platoon to the centre, 'cause flanking wasn't possible and waiting for nothing - useless. On the right flank, I split squad in the middle of the map to make a recon, they were ambushed and killed, so YOU left me hs without second halves of the squads In the centre in the deep forest I split forces to avoid mortar fire due to truism "split'em all in the forest". All squads started the game as a full squads but the battlefield needed them splited, because they were so many missions to be done and so few soldiers. 24% is not much (in the end of the game) - mainly they were splited forces after break-through. It is a good idea to split squads after that to catch as many panic and routed forces as possible and cover as much my new terain as possible. (BTW: nobody mentioned this way of using hs). It allowed me to attack with full squads where needed. I know about it, but your topic where used by others to pretend specialists in judgment what is gamey or not and I WAS an example. As a summary: Using hs for reconing, outposting (honourable way of using as sb said) may cause high disproportion between full and halfsquads. Lets say, that this long topic even do not bring closer to the body of the hs using. It is dissapointing due to so many theoreticians were talking. The number of posts is less important than the wisdom of the responses

[pasted form the previous topic] How nice discussion. I give a few words about the game it all started: My forces were: bat Romanian cavalry (8plts with 60mm mortar and HMG each)+ 2 AT Romanian guns supported by SMG Russian regimental coy CRACK, plt T34/85 and M3 for HQ company of Russians (he shouldn't walk to battlefield, isn't?).So I got 11 plt for 2000pts game and that was the main point. Glider were outnumbered without splitting!!! The mystery is revealed. The break-through I made on the far left flank was quite easy, because I outnumbered alone enemy 1 VET plt with 1 SMG crk plt and 2 plt of cavalry. Next 2 plt of cavalry and SMG plt were flanking the centre from the left flank, when break-through was made. There were not any splitted squad there!! (BTW: spliting during break-through is stupid in my opinion.) In the centre I have two splitted plt of cavalry decepting my enemy. It worked because the main Glider forces stayed at the centre defending main flag in the village. On the right, my last group consisted of smg plt and two cav plts standed against attacking enemy about 3plt (one crk). After off map firing (250 shells) I attacked and break them. There were also no splitted squads, maybe one or two during chasing the enemy, but only in microscale. So two enemies flanks were broken and the game in fact were over. There were not hordes of halfsquads, splitting was used locally and for exact purpose. I believe I can easily beat most of you who will split globally all squads because it just simple doesn't work. Even 10,000 Trees' tests do not convinced me, 250 P2P games do. Only local splitting for exact purpose make sense. It is funny that discussion was started because of my and Glider game, which where without hordes of HS as talks (lies??) the topic name. I think that some persons catch the chance to reveal themselves as a specialists in CM theory and write in signature some truisms like "split them all in the woods". New gamers with high number (20,000 or more) will surely enshrine you for that. Wiggins out

How nice discussion. I give a few words about the game it all started: My forces were: bat Romanian cavalry (8plts with 60mm mortar and HMG each)+ 2 AT Romanian guns supported by SMG Russian regimental coy CRACK, plt T34/85 and M3 for HQ company of Russians (he shouldn't walk to battlefield, isn't?).So I got 11 plt for 2000pts game and that was the main point. Glider were outnumbered without splitting!!! The mystery is revealed. The break-through I made on the far left flank was quite easy, because I outnumbered alone enemy 1 VET plt with 1 SMG crk plt and 2 plt of cavalry. Next 2 plt of cavalry and SMG plt were flanking the centre from the left flank, when break-through was made. There were not any splitted squad there!! (BTW: spliting during break-through is stupid in my opinion.) In the centre I have two splitted plt of cavalry decepting my enemy. It worked because the main Glider forces stayed at the centre defending main flag in the village. On the right, my last group consisted of smg plt and two cav plts standed against attacking enemy about 3plt (one crk). After off map firing (250 shells) I attacked and break them. There were also no splitted squads, maybe one or two during chasing the enemy, but only in microscale. So two enemies flanks were broken and the game in fact were over. There were not hordes of halfsquads, splitting was used locally and for exact purpose. I believe I can easily beat most of you who will split globally all squads because it just simple doesn't work. Even 10,000 Trees' tests do not convinced me, 250 P2P games do. Only local splitting for exact purpose make sense. It is funny that discussion was started because of my and Glider game, which where without hordes of HS as talks (lies??) the topic name. I think that some persons catch the chance to reveal themselves as a specialists in CM theory and write in signature some truisms like "split them all in the woods". New gamers with high number (20,000 or more) will surely enshrine you for that. Wiggins out

I read carefully this topic and I am really disappointed that you judged me as a "gamey" player. Words: "gimmick", "tricky" style hurts a lot. I really wanted to join to this discussion and say step by step what has happened during this game, but I wont do this. It is useless, the judgement is delivered. Hope I will never meet such unfair judgement in the future. And pity, that you Glider take a part with it.