[Thiers and mine]

m18 and M24......

[**U.S. M3 Scout Car / MikeyD's own scale plans!!**]

MikeD,are you going to make all the American HT mods first?

How about the plan for M18 and M24?

[Should i get CMAK?]

"Indeed, there is an active group called CMETO (CM, European Theater of Operations)

hard at work on what practically amounts to a new game."

--John Kettler

You mean there will be a real Westfront Combat Mission which is based on CMAK,and with all missing tank units in CMBO?

[Something very interesting about SU-100's Ammunition]

But in this site:

http://gva.freeweb.hu/weapons/soviet_guns8.html

Now which type of the 100mm AP(lg) round is modeled in CMBB?

[Something very interesting about SU-100's Ammunition]

“During the whole war the only BR-412 APHE projectile used, in 1946-1950th some improved projectiles were developed, for example BR-412D and BR-412B. ”

http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=106&Itemid=60〈=en

But in this article:

http://www.battlefield.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=57&Itemid=50〈=en

"The 100 mm long barreled (56 clb) D-10S gun was supplied by 18 armor piercing rounds BR-412B and by 15 fragmentation/HE rounds OF-412. Having a 895 m/s muzzle velocity, the BR-412B with a blunt ballistic cap was able to penetrate ~100 mm armor sloped at 60° at range of 1500 metres. "

"Thus, the mass production of the SU-100 was delayed until problems with ammunition won't be solved. They were resolved by November-December 1944. Until that date, the mass production of the SU-85M was launched instead. In December 1944, the manufacturing of the Su-85M was cancelled and mass production of the SU-100 was started instead. "

:eek:

So~Who's the Liar?

[ June 11, 2006, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: xellos ]

[**NEW Brit M10 and 17 pdr Achilles Mods!!**]

M18 M24 M7

then American armor will be almost finished.

[**NEW Brit M10 and 17 pdr Achilles Mods!!**]

You did it,you did it!

They are really beautiful Mods!

What I can only to do now is just praying for M18 ,M24 or M7 Mods.

[**MikeyD’s BIG BIG BIG M10 TD Mod!!**]

BRAVO~

I'm waiting for M10 mod quite a long time!

Now which type is the next?

Maybe M18,or M24?

[Why Su100 didnt use APBC in CMBB?]

Thanks for your help first, John Kettler!

You mean the AP(lg) is　somekind of APHE?

That's a reasonable explanation.

Russian Battlefront mentioned:

"there were large problems with mass production of the BR-412B, the technological process was too complex and final production was of low quality resulting a reduced armor penetration. Thus, the mass production of the SU-100 was delayed until problems with ammunition won't be solved. They were resolved by November-December 1944."

Although BR-412B had a lot of problems,but the Russians had finally solved them.

Then why we only see 100mm AP(lg)in CMBB,and not APBC? :confused:

[Why Su100 didnt use APBC in CMBB?]

Whitch type of shell is that AP(lg)?

and I find this:

the BR412 as being developed in the mid 40s with the 100mm D10 gun and the BR412B and BR412D being developed during the 1946 through 1950 time frame

and in Russian Battlefront:

A new commander's cupola was installed on the roof as well as MK-IV observation sights, also a pair of the new ventilators were mounted to combat with asphyxiating powder gases. Generally, the 72% of the SU-100's parts were borrowed from original T-34, 4% taken from the SU-122, 7.5% - from SU-85 and only 16.5% parts were new. The 100 mm long barreled (56 clb) D-10S gun was supplied by 18 armor piercing rounds BR-412B and by 15 fragmentation/HE rounds OF-412. Having a 895 m/s muzzle velocity, the BR-412B with a blunt ballistic cap was able to penetrate ~100 mm armor sloped at 60° at range of 1500 metres.

Notwithstanding, there were a known problems with the D-10S, its fine tuning continued till the summer 1944. Moreover, there were large problems with mass production of the BR-412B, the technological process was too complex and final production was of low quality resulting a reduced armor penetration. Thus, the mass production of the SU-100 was delayed until problems with ammunition won't be solved. They were resolved by November-December 1944. Until that date, the mass production of the SU-85M was launched instead. In December 1944, the manufacturing of the Su-85M was cancelled and mass production of the SU-100 was started instead.

So BR-412B did entered the GPW, while BR-412D did not?

[About CMAK armor penetration data]

Oh,very Thanks FIRST!

[About CMAK armor penetration data]

Where can I get them?

[About CMAK armor penetration data]

But why?

[Another quest about CM's Armor penetration simulation]

Here is an after combat report of CMBO:

http://www.wargamer.com/articles/combat_mission_aar.asp

And in this artical,some words say:

"The first one included the two Shermans closing in frontally on the Pillbox. Expecting an immediate kill, we had to replay the action movie twice to believe what we saw: one of the Shermans, closing in at an awkward angle, was hit by the 88mm AT round, but the shot bounced off its armor! Confused - and actually, expecting a bug in the program - we checked the armor penetration data and surprise: there was a tiny chance for this to happen at a very specific angle! "

My question is:How can I get those armor penetration data,or how can I get those two armor penetration pictures?

[About CMAK armor penetration data]

Why the armor penetration data of Panther and M4 is higher than the data in CMBB?

IS this point of view really true?

"....both CMBB and CMAK use two sets of penetration data for each Allied or Russian gun, homogeneous and face-hardened armor stats. And the games differentiate targets by armor type."