Trommelfeuer

@Andreas: Thanx a lot for the answer to my question! I have to agree, the "german turn based game / russian RTS tactics" analasis by Grisha is very good! Are there any CM:BB "Prokhorovka" / "Panzerschlacht bei Kursk" scenarios ? With friendly greetings, Trommelfeuer [ March 06, 2003, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Trommelfeuer ]

Very interesting discussion, gentleman! My grandfather was a "Panzermann" in the Waffen-SS "Totenkopfdivison", and he told me some wartime stories...must have been a awful mess at Kursk! He told me that there were many tank colliding with each other in the mess, and that the battle at Prokharovka was like a close combat without any clear direction... What do you think of the following Kursk-homepages? They differ very much from each other, which one is closer to the truth? The Iron Fist http://www.battlefield.ru/library/battles/battle2.html And now the other one: Clash at Kharkov and Kursk http://www.geocities.com/wolfram55/russia43.html So which one is true? :confused: With friendly greetings, Trommelfeuer The Battle of Kursk(David M. Glantz, Jonathan M. House, Maps by Darin Grauberger) http://www.angelfire.com/wi2/foto/ww2/proh/ [ March 05, 2003, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: Trommelfeuer ]

The Panther (Panzerkampfwagen 5) could penetrate 140mm armour at a range of 2000m... (source http://balsi.de/pantherversa.htm ) Another good example for a "Panther-fight" under the right conditions : In september 13th, 1943 seven Panther-tanks of the 2nd SS Panzerregiment "Das Reich" under the command of Hauptsturmführer Holzer engaged 70 (!) T-34 tanks near Kolomak. After 20 minutes of fierce fighting, 28 russian tanks were destroyed, and the other russians retreated hastily. In july 28./ 29. 1944, the 2nd battalion of the 5th Panzerregiment of the 5th SS Panzerdivision "Wiking" engaged 107 russian tanks, mostly T-34's and some Shermans. During this battle, 80 percent of the russian tanks were knocked out / destroyed, one Panzer IV and 5 Panther were destroyed. The most notable Panther ace was SS-Oberscharfuehrer Ernst Barkmann ( http://www.achtungpanzer.com/gen5.htm ) from 2nd SS Panzer Division "Das Reich". His actions in Western Europe, especially in Normandy and Ardennes earned him the Knight's Cross. sources http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz4.htm http://www.wehrtechnik.net/wehrtechnik/der_panther_i.html With friendly greetings, Trommelfeuer P.S. Sorry for my bad english, I'm a CMBB newbie (I already love it!) and just wanted to post something... [ March 02, 2003, 09:02 PM: Message edited by: Trommelfeuer ]