Munter
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OK, I took a closer look on both the Finnish and the English version of the page separately:Originally posted by Marlow:Give me a break. Just because the page does not state that the weapon is fixed to the bench, does not mean that it wasn't. I'm not going out on too much of a limb to say that the group for the automatic fire is not possible unless the weapon is secured to the bench. Please relate your experience that tells you otherwise.
In the English version of the page the writer claimes that all 50 shots were fired in a continuous burst.
In the original Finnish version they presume the shots to have been fired in bursts of (maybe) 5 but nothing is mentioned about a sustained burst.
Quoting from http://www.guns.connect.fi/gow/suomikp2.html
TIKKAKOSKI Oy:n esittelykirjasessa
tyydytään lakooniseen mainintaan: "Virallisissa vastaanottokokeiluissa ammuttu taulu. Matka 100 m. 50 laukausta kestotulta; tuelta." Laukaussarjojen kestoa ei ole
muistettu mainita, mutta vuonna 1942 ne olivat yleensä jo yli viisi laukausta per päräys, koska konepistoolia käytettiin tositoimissa kuin taisteluhaulikkoa: Sarjoja
ammuttaessa ei tähtäimiä käytetty lainkaan, ja laukaukset suunnattiin vastustajan vartaloon, eikä päähän, kuten ampumaradalla voitiin tehdä häiriöttömissä
olosuhteissa: Pahvinen taulu kun ei ampunut takaisin..!
Clearly, the translator had made unjustified shortcuts concerning that detail.
"Clamping down" the weapon is however promptly denied. They report having achieved better results with human testshooters and normal supports (my guess = sandbags) than with fixed mounting of the weapon.
Hell, even I can squeeze off 1 inch groups (single shots, magazine rest, no sandbags) at 100 meters aiming through the open sights on my trusty SAKO m92 (7.62x39).
Suomi SMG doesn't even have a recoil worth mentioning so I wouldn't regard the shown result as fabricated. Back in the olden days when we still had some training with those weapons, you could easily control the bursts and place your shots where you wanted by adjusting "the stream of bullets".
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[ August 09, 2002, 09:25 AM: Message edited by: Munter ]
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We have finished the "Snow Warriors" with Former Jarhead at turn 22. Autosurrender saved his last Germans from complete annihilation.
In the "Stand of the Strong" we still have 3 turns left, but I hope the situation in the battle will not change much from now.
Great game, wonderful battles and a worthy opponent! I guess that'll sum it up for us.
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Maybe and no.Originally posted by YankeeDog:That full-auto grouping is either by the best SMG gunner in the world, or the weapon is clamped down.
Here's the original site about Suomi SMG.
http://www.guns.connect.fi/gow/suomi1.html
It was and still is an excellent, stable and robust piece of hardware. Semi-automatic versions are nowadays sold in Finland for $600 and full auto for $420.
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[ August 09, 2002, 02:06 AM: Message edited by: Munter ]
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Tero,
"auftauchen" is virtually the same expression as "dyka upp" in Swedish, i.e. "ilmestyä" in our beautifully concise mothertongue.
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Tero,
"auftauchen" is virtually the same expression as "dyka upp" in Swedish, i.e. "ilmestyä" in our beautifully concise mothertongue.
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Originally posted by Ari Maenpaa:
I have been hunting for his Laguksen rynnäkkötykit in the old book stores for quite a long time. No luck so far.
Try Armour museum in Parolannummi, I got my copy from there. OR, you could try to get it directly from the local active members in the armour guild suborganizations. They usually have a few extra copies for purchase along with repro jäger insignia etc.
Good luck!
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[ August 02, 2002, 10:55 AM: Message edited by: Munter ]
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*Bump* from page 3...
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Is that an American billion or an European billion? A billion should be 1000 milliards, i.e. million millions (10^12), but in an American context it usually is only 10^9 (milliard).Originally posted by Doug Beman:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That much money simply doesn't exist. I don't think l00 billion is even a number. It's like saying I want a kajillion bajillion dollars.
DjB
Just out of curiosity, when and why did you lose the M-word?
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Originally posted by Ari Maenpaa:
Guys, we Finns are guests on this forum. Cryptic messages in a pre-indoeuropean tone may trigger off the TIPS.However, it was pretty refreshing to be able to read in one's mothertongue on an international forum. For those outside Finland, it was nothing important. Apart from us, that is...
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[ July 30, 2002, 07:33 PM: Message edited by: Munter ]
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On sentään Euroopan vanhin elävä kieli, baskin ohella.
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Toisen luokan vapaudenmitali.Originally posted by kmk24:Moi kaverit,
Ois yks kysymys. Mulla on Suomen rintamamiehet 1939 - 1945 kirja, jossa on vaarini tiedot, mitä tarkoittaa lyhenne Vm2?
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I can answer to that.Originally posted by redwolf:The one safedisk-protected game I play often enough to bother about does not only end the game when you
remove the disk but crashes the computer.
I have the CDV version of CM:BO (yes, the one with an extra mod CD) and have NOT, repeat, NOT noticed any problems with the product (apart from that I still haven't been able to see the intro movie). The CD can be removed from the drive during the game and replaced with, I don't know... Tannhäuser, for instance, without any system crashes taking place.
[ July 27, 2002, 05:35 AM: Message edited by: Munter ]
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...or "aim at their balls". It seems to me we're both living in the same town. A good choise, indeed!Originally posted by Kaiser Soze 71:My fellow country man, you should not forget the legendary "tulta munil!" warcry. In English something like "fire their cocks".
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Finnish casualties:Originally posted by Scipio:I have only a German source from late 60s.
(in Million, m = military, c = civilians)
Soviet casualties : 13.6 m, 7.7 c
Germany : 3.25 m, 3.81 c
Austria : 0.38 m, 0.145 c
Rumania : 0.52 m, 0.465 c
Hungary : 0.75 total
Czechoslovakia : 0.4 total
1939-40: 23 000
1941-45: 65 000
Civilian casulties < 2000
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THAT one I won't translate. A pretty good statement anyway.Originally posted by Prinz Eugen:Patriootti ! V*tusti kiitoksia ![/QB]
Kwazydog & Al, man you sure have Evil minds! After you had announced the release date of CM:BB you're still torturing people. You're doing it on purpouse aren't you?
How would you feel if Santa Claus visited you frequently and told you what you're getting for presents and s-l-o-w-ly revealing even more painfully addicting details. These should not be called as bones but teasers. I tell you, people have been condemned to Hell for minor reasons.
Now you're forcing me to disrupt my favorite frustration with heavy loads of cold beer. And frigid women. Yeah... that'll do it. For now.
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PlagueDog, I'm still waiting...
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Actually, it was a Rauma version. And yes, I agree it was extremely boring to listen to after a few trials.Originally posted by tero:Please, PLEASE spare us from the Turkku version a la CC3 Finn mod. It was fun... for a little while.
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Trauermarsch (Siegfried's funeral march) from "Götterdämmerung", composed by Wagner.
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My uncle was "fighting" in Lapland as a conscript soldier. According to him there wasn't any significant action but some small scale scouting and patrolling. They merely followed the Germans as they retreated to the North.
In Rovaniemi railway yard they hid away weapons and ammunition in case of a suspected Soviet invasion. Everybody knew where the REAL enemy was. He did come home with a fine Mauser k98 which my father nowadays owns.
So no, that particular theatre of war is of no interest to me. They were our Waffenbrueder when times were bad.
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For a couple of months ago I met two fellow Finns who were just kids in Lappland at the time of the war. They told me that the only people who hated the Germans after the war were the local communists. The other man's father hadn't even painted over their front door after the war, just to annoy the Soviet supporters, as a German officer had written "this house may not be burned" on it.
The people in Lappland were evacuated to Sweden by the German Army in order to avoid any unnecessary casualties. At the same time the Germans tried to save as much of their supplies as possible into Norway with their meager transport resources.
They left a LOT of ammunition and mines behind them, though. The guys I talked with told me that they had an extremely fascinating childhood (their words, not mine). For instance, Nebelwerfer rockets, when ignited horizontally and of course without any parental supervision, were an exciting version of martial lottery: nobody could tell beforehand where those babies finally landed as they had a tendency to richochet just anywhere if they hit a tree or a boulder. And their sound...(again, their words).
The best projectiles for slingshots were bearing balls that came from the German "jumping mines" that obviously had to be deactivated first. If they ever encountered unknown warmaterial, their fathers wanted to see it first to show how to handle them safely.
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Wow! This is by far the nicest way to say "could we talk about something else, please".Originally posted by Grisha:tero & Keke,
Thank you for the discussion! It has left me with a greater appreciation for the Continuation War. I will have to study this aspect of the Soviet-German War in more detail because of it
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That would be a good idea. Not to translate the game, the manual nor the text on the cover, but simply to put an authentic wartime photo from the Finnish military archives on the box. THAT would certainly draw people's attention, first to the game and secondly to the fact that there is a foreign company somewhere that has noticed us.Originally posted by Hurricane:But a localised box (in the case the game is sold on the store shelves) could actually be a very good bet, IMHO.
Flattering without ruining the game.
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(edited for grammatical reasons, again)
[ May 03, 2002, 05:24 AM: Message edited by: Munter ]
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Originally posted by -Havermeyer-:
Again you belittle the Finnish nation by assuming they would require both a toothpick and bubblegame to knockout a T-34.
Bah, lieutenant Arvo Pentti (Holder of the Mannerheim Cross, 2:nd Class) used only a couple handfuls of mud when he captured a Russian tank in '41. Toothpicks were used by scented snobs.
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Originally posted by Big Time Software:
As is sales to Finland are higher than Sweden by about 1/3, 3x higher than Norway, and 2x higher than Denmark (my former countrymen
).Just of curiosity, do these figures represent the total sales of the game or the sales per capita?
Now, couple this to the fact that Finns are apparently CRAZY about their war with the Soviets (both parts) and a localization into Finnish becomes quite interesting for us from a sales standpoint.
Our pride was never rooted out as it happened in West-Germany. As a matter of fact, it helped us to keep the Soviet supported communist party outside the government after the war(s). WW2 for our part ended as late as 10 years ago as the last remnants of the restrictions in our foreign policy, constituted in the peace treaty in Paris 1948, were degraded to toilet paper. Despite of what was previously (60-70's) taught in the schools by the new generation of left-wing activists in their attempt to re-write history, our parents and grandparents filled in with the omitted facts about the war. A major asset for those who were showing a further interest in the subject were the public libraries that never bowed for any attempts of censorship.
My return to the Karelian Isthmus to retake my late grandmother's farm is only a CMBB away. Now, get back to work!
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[ April 29, 2002, 07:53 AM: Message edited by: Munter ]
SMG ROF and firepower in CMBB revisited
in Combat Mission Archive #4 (2002)
Posted
On the same website they give instructions on how to eliminate the effect of the recoil.
Been there, done that but got no scars!
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