sage2
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An interesting observation! I do know that there are several different types of sand in the region, each with their own properties. I've seen the stuff you deal with described as talcum powder, which from my understanding isn't typical within the majority of Syria's arid areas.
I'm curious... what do other OIF vets think about the hang time of the dust in CM:SF? Any vets here from the Syrian border areas who can comment? We can make it stay around longer by default, with wind knocking it down proportionally (wind already simulates accelerated dispersal).
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I know URC believes the data is out there in a useable format for us, however we've not come upon anything that is much better than doing "guesswork". Therefore, it could be that more tweaking is necessary. However, we don't have any analytical data to back that up either
Steve
Hey Steve, thanks for the long response!
I would also be interested in hearing what other vets say about the dust. We don't have (or at least I have seen) the "pools" of "angel dust" that you see in other areas in Iraq around here / Mosul. Just this super super super fine dust that seems to have an almost neutral buyoncy in the air. You might model something like a 10 minute hang time and slow dispersion, with it finally settling after about 10 minutes. This is probably quite conservatitve, from what I've seen (assuming Syria is similar to Northern Iraq), but would capture the feel. I remember reading about the ancient armies in this area (Xenophon? can't remember the source) talking about the dust hanging in the air for two days after the army had passed. That's not an exageration if there's no wind.
One thing that impacts the spotting, IMO, is the lack of COBs and the need to positively ID before shooting. (COBs = Civilians on Battlefield). Playing the 2nd campaign mission with the SVBIED taxis brought this to the fore. One of those SVBIED taxies was identified at about 600m as an SVBIED. In reality, it would only be able to be id'd as hostile based on its action and response to an EOF as it neared coalition forces. Likewise, seeing people moving around windows in a building isn't "hostile intent".
I would imagine that modeling COBs and EOF procedures would be a ton of work, but I believe it actually has relevancy to the high intensity conflict modeled here. Not so much so for the upcoming "Normandy" game, however.
One possible way to address is for scenario designers to place units that *could* be enemies. When the enemy "engages" (or moves out to engage) the CFs, or is engaged (such as by area fire) by CF, a check is done to see whether they are actually COBs. If they are COBs, CF takes a hit on its victory points if it engaged incorrectly. On the flipside, if you wait too long, you could get blown up or ambushed.
Sage
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Oh one other thing -- I don't think you'll even see uparmored 1114s used on the battlefield again. Maybe 1151s, but definitely not thin skin 1114s.
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Sage2,
Glad you got the patch before your connection crapped out! You shouldn't need to do anything with keys unless you're just done a full install on a new computer. Since it looks like you have your key, then everything is OK anyway
I'm curious what you think of the changes between v1.07 and v1.11.
Steve
Hi Steve,
Thank you for asking.
Combat results in 1.07 feel much more 'organic' than 1.11. That's a good thing. It's definitely a big improvement. I actually had fun playing the first mission in the original campaign, and am looking forward to playing the second. The coolest moment was when one of my M1A1s killed a second T54 through the carcass of the 1st T54 that came around the corner. I watched the video, and sure enough that APDS round went right through.
My general sense is that CM2x is now almost as good at CM1 as a game. Yes, it has many many many more features, and a much higher fidelity modeling for many things, but that doesn't necessarily make for a better game. The return of the blue bar gives me a fuzzy warm feeling. I use the ability to skip quickly through turns both at the end and beginning of games. I spend much less time feeling like I'm waiting for the computer, even if net time playing is unchanged.
Here are somethings I've noticed:
* Dust hang time is way, way, way too low. The terrain in Mosul is probably pretty similar to Syria (we're pretty dang close). Arid, rocky, low scrub. The dust here is astoundingly fine. When tracked or wheeled vehicles go by the dust that is kicked up hangs in the air for hours, and very, very slowly disperses. It has to be seen to be believed. It is nothing like any thing I have ever seen in the American West. It's also quite different from central Iraq (although I wasn't there very long). IMO, the dust that is generated in the game shouldn't be quite as thick, but it should last much longer. I know that there's a processor hit for this, but if it's possible it should be done. For a tactical game like this, getting your vehicles 'out of the plume' and into fresh air is a reasonable consideration. Additionally, the dust of moving vehicles will aid enemy spoting.
* MRAPs are everywhere. I'm not sure they'd be a ton of use in a 'hot' conflict like portrayed at the beginning of the Syrian campaign, but they are here to stay. Despite their tippy tendencies, extremly high profile and so forth, the Army has spent a bajilllion dollars on them, and I would expect to see them only be developed more in the future. It would be nice to see 1 or 2 flavors modeled in game for scenario designs to use in LIC scenarios.
* Small arms lethality against troops in cover still seems too high. I had this same genearal concern in the CM games, but it seems even more pronounced here. I don't have any hard data to back this one up. Small arms fixes your enemy (maybe). Explosives or close contact kill him.
Lots of people have complained about the spotting model. It seems about right, or even a bit too generous, to me for troops in cover concealment. On the flipside, it seems a bit too hard to spot troops in the open. No analytical data to back this up at all.
Best,
Sage
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Edit: Ah ha! Found my original email from like forever ago,which had my key. Yay.
Oh the irony... I very carefully typed all the CD keys for all my games. Except, apparently CMSF. Hopefully my wife can I find it.
Ghent, I might try an internet cafe, except that the locals look at you funny when you get out of an MRAP to go check your email. :=)
Sage
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Wow, thanks all for so much feedback and the many offers to burn and send me CDs. It looks like my connection stayed up long enough to download 1.10 and 1.11 over the last 24 hours (hopefully they didn't get corrupted or something), so I'll give them a whirl. I appreciate everyone taking the time to give me both positive and negative feedback.
My point of comparison has always been CM 1 and 2 -- 1.07 definitely wasn't as good, but it sounds like these might be. Looking forward to trying them this evening.
If the patch downloads get any bigger, you can bet I'll take some of you up on those offers to download and burn for me.
Best,
Sage
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I played CMSF when it first came out, but quit in frustration.
I played again, in February / March with 1.07 or 08 (can't remember), and found it better, but still problematic. What "did it in" for me, was not getting credit for capturing ground, even after having marched infantry all over it. There wasn't any feedback to tell me whether I had captured the ground, or how it was computed or so forth. The game was marginally better, but still felt clunky.
How is now with 1.10/1.11? I ask because my connection is rreeeeaaaallllly slow, and downloading a few hundred megs is quite a project.
Sage
(in Mosul, yeah I know it's a little weird wanting to play CMSF when actually getting rocketed, but hey, adds to the imersion when you can play in your kevlar, right?)
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Hmmmm... might actually be time to play CMSF again. I was gone for 6 months for army BCT and AIT, and just got back about 2 weeks ago. Looks like the 1.07 patch may be the charm.
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E4 (specialist) 38B with the 448th Civil Affairs battalion at Ft. Lewis. Starting... today at 1700hrs. See y'all in 6 months.
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Sooo... don't use the feature.Originally posted by Speedy:I would prefer that the elite level remains as it is as well. I agree with Sgt. Joch that if some people have to use the pause to play a new difficulty level should be added or play veteran if you can issue orders paused in that.
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Nice. I like how it's also shooting through the hill...
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I'm not sure how this would play out, but you would also need to adjust for training costs of units. Then you might want to amortize for life insurance policies. :=) Things might get interested when your loan US 11B PV2 Joe is up against a syrian tank company.
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My favorite pathfinding moment:
On the first turn, I manage to run 2 squads through a hole in the wall. Cool, I think, people had reported problems with this. But it worked fine. However, they're both immediately ambushed. So I tell them to retreat on turn 2. But they can't find their way back through the hole to safety. Instead, they bounce repeatedly off of the wall, then stand around doing nothing, despite being under heavy fire, until they are killed. Oh yay, nix 2 squads. :=(
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I'm sure the attached infantry might have something to say about that. :=) The picture in my head is some buff infantry types rubbing the face of the scrawny Styker commander on the pavement.Originally posted by squishalll:Perhaps the smoke modelled is WP. If so then it makes sense that your friendly vehicles getting hit with it just might want to bail and or get damaged..
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Is there a way to pause in real time play, and still give orders? Obviously not for online play, but this would be nice for single player. As it is, I'm playing WEGO because it's too frantic. The ability to correct path finding wonkiness as it happens sure would be nice however.
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I saw teh same issue with my Stykers going up on to the berm. I had to be very careful to avoid that.
I've also seen similar issues with pathfinding, and have a similar response. The one thing I can recommend is just using very short movement orders. That helps a little.
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Playing mission of the campaign, my tanks wouldn't cross at the berm ramps. Inconveniently, one of my strykers that I ordered down to the road crossing decided that the best way to do this was sihouletted on the berm, and it DID use the ramp.
Is there a special command you have to use to cross?
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Playing mission of the campaign, my tanks wouldn't cross at the berm ramps. Inconveniently, one of my strykers that I ordered down to the road crossing decided that the best way to do this was sihouletted on the berm, and it DID use the ramp.
Is there a special command you have to use to cross?
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To the OP, IIRC, CMBO launch was significantly smoother than this. I recall that the demo had been played to death by me, and most of the small complaints I and other folks had had been addressed in the launch.
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Bugs / Issues:
1) Please for the love of gawd and all things holy fix in the Moire you get on the Stryker slat armor. It drives be batty. This should be doable easily by changing the LOD models to just use an alpha'd plane in place of the slat armor at longer rangs.
2) Allow LOD to be adjustable, or to turn it off.
3) Please, please add some sort of AI for the quick battles! Essentially, this feature is completely broken in SP mode.
4) LOS appears to be broken. I've seen various weirdness. Most recently, I had an MG team behind a hill take casualties from a Bradley. Shortly later another MG team show enemy infantry through another hill. It's weird -- most of the bullets (99.9%) get stopped, but then all the sudden, you'l see a random tracer go through the hill. I also find it odd that the AI units will blast away at the hillside with tons of ammo as if they know one shot might makei though.
5) Have a toggle for shadow types? I have an ATI x1900xt w/ the most recent drivers, but I have all sorts of weidness in the shadows. One that bugs me is that grass sprites are not shadowed. This just looks weird.
6) Have a toggle to turn off grass sprites?
7) Playing the first training campaign mission, one of my strykers insisted on only every pointing it's butt at the enemy.
I've played through 4 or 5 missions so far. My reaction is pretty mixed. I'm sure I will play more, but the game just doesn't feel done.
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Shouldn't that be Phase Line *Bravo*?
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Thanks sir. It looks like work is going to allow me to keep my work laptop for AIT. That will help. I've been told the CA AIT is accademically intensive, and not to expect free time due to study requirements.
Originally posted by SimHq.com Tom Cofield:Go to Basic and AIT, save the money, buy a laptop and then get the game.
That way you have something to play when you are deployed. Depending on your MOS you can expect it. You will have some down time and you will need to do something to enjoy yourself.
No joke guys, my laptop was a lifesaver when I was in the Gulf in 2003. I played the snot out of CMBB and CMBO during that time. CMAK wouldn't run well enough on the computer to make it worth while.
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Three times now.
Failed it twice, to be accurate.
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Right now, you've implied that:
1) I wear baggy clothes.
2) Listen to sh***y music (okay, maybe on this one).
3) Am unmotivated.
4) Think BCT will be like a computer game / should be easy etc...
5) Need to focus on my career.
6) Will not do well at BCT b/c I take exception to your assumptions on this board.
And I probably missed a couple. It's all about context. Not only am I not being paid to take your insults, but I didn't volunteer for it (other than by posting here), nor is there a higher purpose (other than to amuse you). Your weak attempts to rationlize your immature behavior and tell mildy humerous anecdotes about your own service in the age of muskets don't hide the fact that you're just a wordy troll with a crapload of posts.
If the original poster thinks he has been insulted by my comments, he won't last three days on his basic training, and that is a fact. The difference being, of course, he is not being paid to be abused by me.
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Thank you SGT Goody.
Just keep your mouth shut and your ears open and you'll be fine. The physical stuff will fall in line within the first couple weeks. Good luck, and thank you. [/QB]
Does 1.11 "Fix" CMSF?
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Thanks Scurlock.
In Adam's defense, he did provide valid and relevant feedback to my request for information.