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Thx guys, much appreciated AH64D

Steve, I like to clarify some things i said, and then end this discussion. This won't be a rant or something rude, so please bear with me. I understand readers and you people from BTS got offended by the post i made. As mentioned before, i should have picked other words, or put them in a slightly different way. I became aware of this when i received some offensive replies, so the first thing i did was apologize and try to explain. Ofcourse it was too late then. I do take FULL responsibility. I reply to the posts i think are needed and i am NOT saying the post couldn't be offensive. I'm NOT hiding behind bad knowledge of english. But please keep in mind that expressing certain things on paper is NOT easy. Sure i know a zillion words, maybe my grammar is even good. But this doesn't have to mean i know how to put these words in the correct way, telling people exactly what i mean. Yes...after re-reading my post i understood why some got pissed. Would i have put it a different way if i could do it all over? Yes, i would try, but no i am affraid it wouldn't have sound any different. I am NOT looking for a messageboard-war. If i would, but job would be done. Many people are pissed, everybody hates me...i am a WINNER. But no, i just wanted to post something, which went horribly wrong. Maybe you don't believe me, but why on earth would i try to explain, apologize, and re-post all the time then? Not because i'm bored or have too much time on my hands. No, because i want to be able to have normal discussions, without having the idea noone believes me and therefore receiving silly replies. Also i pre-ordered the game months ago. I'm waiting for it as much as everyone. The graphics a great, the sounds are cool, and for a change...it's historically accurate. Once again, i understand everybody getting pissed. I do like CM, i think BTS has done a tremendous job so far, and i really hope we'll have the game as soon as possible. I will re-read my posts multiple times before i actually hit the "post message"-button. If, after reading this post, you still think i'm not worth normal replies, or that the message i posted is beyond forgiveness. Then so be it. Please tell me i should leave this board and i will, because, as i already said, i am not looking for trouble. I hope this case can be closed now. AH64D

Fionn, i said multiple times i had choosen the wrong words to express my ideas. I also said i was sorry and apologized multiple times. If you think it's fun to be used as an "example" all the time, i can tell you one thing...it's not. There's nothing more i can do but to apologize, which i did. Now get over it. Get a life. If this sounds rude to you, you're right. It's ment that way. Why? Because it really pisses me off that people saying nothing but good about CM are all cool and are allowed to **** on people disagreeing with them. Damn...no freedom of speech, not belonging to "one of the good guys". It's oke to "enjoy" the ww2-era, but trying to rule this board the way Germany was ruled back then is a bit too much for me. I always enjoyed your posts, straight to the point. I appreciate that. But if you keep using ME as an "bad example", then ww4 is about to errupt. Should you take these final words seriously? No, prolly not, but don't piss me off. It doesn't make ME happy, and it doesn't make you more liked (maybe by some, but i won't go there). The chopper that does BOOOOOM

It was ment as sarcasm Hunt, didn't find a "smiley-face" for that one. AH64D

Lol I'm not from Germany but i do understand what you are saying (mein deutsche sprache ist vielleicht etwas besser ). Anyway you're absolutely right. Ich verstehe Sie ganz, danke AH64D (oder AH64D )

Some things i need to respond to. **Ron** -This post isn't serious, it is juvenile. AH64D and the others whose mania for 'more realistic' visuals to make the game more immersive is puzzling. They seem to be missing the point of the whole project.- I know what the game is all about Ron. I know graphics aren't the most important things in most games. Yet there's nothing wrong with spicing them up, if this just makes something look good. Yes CM looks cool. Yes it could look better. No it wouldn't enhance the playability. I said this multiple times. Please read the posts before telling what it's all about. If you do you might see we're actually agreeing. **Steve** -CM is about the game, not about the look. Even the CM Beta looks better than any wargame ever made in our opinion, but it is the most realistic in fact- I know what IS important about a game Steve (see previous answer). So...CM is about the game and not looks eh? Well what does the sentence about the Beta looking so much better then the rest mean? It's not important? C'mon. **Hunt52** *Just sell the mac..buy a pc...enjoy 3d...make this world a better place * -I sincerely hope you are joking- I used a and i told the WORLD would be a BETTER place. Like DOH...i'm not even answering this one. Please go figure it out. **TZEENCH** -What lame country are you from AH64d? - You don't know my country, yet you know it's lame? Wow talking about being weird. I rang Mulder and Scully. They should arrive soon. -WTF you must be kidding me with this stuff you posted..- If i was kidding i would be smiling -A) D3d you must be joking only cheap agp cards only support d3d only, from a sales and gaming view point voodoo/3dfx is 10 times better, smooth textures, easyer coding, indstury support, do you see people like "LUCASARTS"esc making d3d only games. and last but not least faster gameplay.Ive seen in one room 300+ computer systems in lan partys and D3d isnt the "cool thing"- Mwuahahaha you ARE DUMB. First i was NOT talking about d3d-only cards. Second, EVERY damn 3d-card supports d3d (this means expensive Geforce cards too...even voodoo5). Third, 10 times better, have you ever seen a game using d3d WITH high-res textures? Guess you havent. Do i see Lucasarts making d3d only games? Well yes: XWvsTF, Dark Forces, Pod Racer, even the new game "Indiana Jones". You have seen 300 pc's in a LAN party? Wow, i see that many when i visit the local Dixons. If you want to talk about d3d, know your stuff, or beat it groupie. - Did you learn most of your history from, pokemon cards!- I don't know what those are. But i can only assume your mummy took yours. What happened? Forgot to wash your hands for supper? -i hope before the next time you start to open your mouth make shure that foot is all the way out. its not all like the john wayne movies you see on tv.... Try moving a 50cal and trying to go prone with it, Let alone just seeing past it. You get the clue right.....- I have never seen an entire John Wayne movie, because they are bad-acted pro-american ****load movies. Did i use the word prone once? Nope can't remember. -My $.02- You see how worthless the dollar is nowadays? **Colin** -I fart in your general direction.- Wow, didn't know Monthy Python was alive here. Have to say they brought it much funnier. **Fionn** -CM is MADE on Macs. Without Macs you wouldn't be playing anything. How's that for poetic justice - As i said, i know a thing about programming, i DO know the mac. For now on when i use it's a joke okay? Because you people can't see to understand it. Also, French Fries are from France. Does that mean we should like them? **Berlichtigen** -I wouldn't piss on Bill Gates if he was on fire- Oooh yeah, Bill Gates sucks, he's an asshole. What has he done for us anyway? I mean c'mon windows we don't need. We don't need Dos either. Let's all work with Linux and hope we can post things on messageboards again in maybe less then 3 years. **Captain Foobar** 1) That country's primary language, as theirs 2) Pass a freakin test... Yeah man. Dead to all non-perfect-english-speaking people. EIN VOLCH...EIN SPRACH !!! Get a grip. You say you can't speak more then 1 language. I think you should applaud people for trying to. Instead of being a patriotic bastard (which can speak only ONE freakin language). **PanzerShark** -See what you have done. Now everybody knows i'm stil alive...only because of this stupid post - Mmm should i care? I never saw ANY post from you, so stop acting mr.Popular. To end this: I will say it for the final time. Please pay attention all. I Do like CM, the graphics are NOT the most important, yet i think they can use (not need or must) some spicing up. Please, BTS are doing a GREAT job, but they are NO gods hiding in a golden bubble. I think i should be free to coment on everything i like/dislike. Or is this one of those boards where only pro-BTS can be made? Yes i did choose the wrong words. Yes i should have said "like" instead of "must". The moment i read the 1st post saying i was rude...i apologized immediatelly. What more could i do? Now i see people saying i am m538 or something (who btw always posted during US daytime...if he is an American he would post at what 4 pm right now?). First i'm NOT trying to get BTS down. I told you they are GREAT programmers. 2nd I'm not saying CM sucks. It's a GREAT game (even the beta kicks ass). If you guys are just bored and need to find a person to pick on because he doesn't share your dreams, and you don't have the patience to wait for the gold-version, please go ahead. But if so, this will be the last post you have seen from me. Do i use a fake-mail? No. I did have a hotmail-account. Unfortunately everyone had to re-register to use this board. Since i never have used my hotmail-account. Microsoft deleted it. Because i wanted to make a post i needed a mail so i used my old one (which will hopefully be active again soon). On the other hand , since i got many angry people replying, i'm glad my mail isn't working. I mean, some of you guys tried my mail...for what? I guess NO happy Valentine card. If i'm right what i am thinking about (spam/virus) those mails, well....that would certainly say something about YOU guys. Sincerely, AH64D

Well, 25 posts, seems my little conference has created some waves Well i would like this opportunity the say the last thing about this case. Ofcourse i am in NO position to alter the code when CM is finished. I do however have the possibility to alter the graphics (great mods CoolJ ). Therefore i shall no longer rant on and on about what CM could be. I will just wait and see what happens. If i still don't like what i see i will create my own textures. Everybody happy this way? Hope so. Yours Truly, General Cartman Lee

Yip, Bill and i went to school together, nice chap . Bit possesive maybe...but that'sit

*PS. You said - "So BTS, try to think before you create." What an unbelievable insult...* Your point? I should say sorry again? C'mon you people, CM is a great game and ofcourse BTS know how to program. This doesn't mean CM is PERFECT or not without it's faults or downfalls. Try to be less PRO-CM. Try to be more open for suggestions. (perfect example would be CC-serie. Yes it might not be historically accurate, yes some weapons might not work in rl as they do in CC. But was it a great game? Yes sure is. Try playing on the zone, instead of hammering it down because of CM). Sure BTS knows how to program. But the "people" i talked about are NO 12-year olds. No they work for companies which most of you will know (also older then 12 years). The reason why i give no names is simply because they didn't ask me to and i don't want to create a BTS vs the rest war. *Also - on the d3d note - guess which platform *dosen't* support it! Now guess which platform CM does support! It's all well and good to want specific changes to support one 3d set, but there are others out there* FYI d3d is the most/best supported 3d-accelaration availible (crectdraw is no real accel.) if the Mac doesn't support this complain to the people creating those. Absolutely positive the Playstation doesn't support d3d neither. I don't want to start a mac-vs-pc war but let's be honest, as far as power goes a mac is more powerful, yet when it comes to games/support, the pc kicks mac-butt Bigtime. Why is it that mac-users always complain about their computer not playing certain games? Why should pc-owners get less beautiful games because some people might own a mac? C'mon, i can't play "Soul Edge"on my pc. Do i complain? No because if i want to i would have bought a Dreamcast. Just sell the mac..buy a pc...enjoy 3d...make this world a better place AH64D

As for the mg's. If i remember correctly, BTS self said the sit-position is NOT realistsic but a way to show the player if a unit is supressed OR ready to fire. So no need to argue here. I stand with my point, the position could have been better. As far as insulting you people or BTS goes...i'm very sorry if i did. I'm not from an english speaking country, so my choice of words might not always be the best. All i'm trying to say is that there are some points that could use some fixing. If BTS doesn't decide to do this, will that make the game suck? NO!! If they are going to add this, would the game be much better? NO, just a little. It's just that when BTS manages to create such a cool game with great models, it would be a shame if they somewhat let down on some other departments. To end this post. Yes i love CM, yes i preordered 5 months ago, yes i will play it alot. No offense. AH64D

Dschugaschwili, I agree with the time to let ALL people get up. But let's be honest, when i tell my men the enemy i heading towards us (6 meters away) and we NEED to get offensive. I expect them to get up in less then 5 secs. This is possible when you are close to your men. Hell, i can put my cigs away, reload a weapon and get up in 5 secs. As i said i tried it with 2 hq's very close. Meaning radiocontact would have been NO prob. I know what a Grognard is. Since i didn't use the ord however and "s bakker" did, it would be better if he explained it to ya. (although i see no reason since i might assume you know what it is). AH64D

*1) Maybe I'm not understanding the situation you describe but I havent had a problem there. generally there is a reason for their lag in responding to your command. you're aware of the command structure in the game right?* I do understand the structure. As i posted multiple times i always had the correct HQ nearby, making sure the order would be received fast enough. But i'm not talking the speed the units respond to, but the speed in which they PERFROM these. In other words. Kneeling takes in real life...what?...2 secs? In CM the kneel-animation takes 4 secs. When the units are shot at they drop down. In real this would take...what?...1 sec? In CM the animation takes 3 secs. As i said before, it looks like the characters are moving as they were UNDER WATER....too slow. It can't be my cpu or videocard...believe me. *2) Not a problem, can allways be better though. Dont pretend to know so much that I discount BTS's methods of design, they seem to be doing an excellent job to me* Sure BTS knows how to program, they have done a great job so far. BUT i just noticed their answers about the fire/smoke and how much cpu-power this would take. Since i have some experience with programming using d3d, i called some friends and other programmers (of very respectable videogame-companies) and asked if was thinking the right thing. They all said i was. So it's not MY only opinion. *3) HMG's are tripod mounted weapons, don't see a problem here.* Try to find me a picture with a character using a mg (with tripod) firing it WHEN sitting down. Also since it HAS a tripod i DO see a problem. What are they used for? To be put on the ground maybe? Thought so. Now..how the hell would you aim when your eyes are 80cm to 1m higher then the gun itself? Seeing a unit SITTING behind a mg is strange to say the least and could have been easily solved when thinking about it. *4) Can allways be improved but are functional now, not a problem for me.* Yip functional. But once again, creating cool textures is very easy (take a photo and import). This would make the game more believible...which can only be nice. *5) Disagree in that I dont think it needs excessive screaming at all. I do agree in that I think the beta sound needed work with the exception that I am more interested in CM as a wargame than as a visceral feast.* I wasn't talking about EXCESSIVE screaming...just some sounds. Seeing units "plop" away is a bit strange. CM doesn't have to be the best looking wargame ever created. But why put much time in modelling all the units and then letting the buildings/sounds/fire etc. suck bigtime? AH64D

Nope, they won't. But tell me, you really think you're pushing your mac right now? Don't think so. I know this game uses lotsa power but saying this is the best we can expect nowadays is untrue. Also, the fire/smoke-thing IS d3d. This means voodoo1 too. But it might run better when one has a better card. I know graphics aren't the most important part of a game. But when one tries to create a game as realistic as possible i can't see why the graphics should stay behind. Sure the trees are 2d. Sure it's impossible to create full 3d-trees. But fire and smoke? Come on. When i finish a battle and see the carnage i made i like to enjoy huge flames and smoke. I don't want to watch smoke and fire looking as a bad 1994 1st-person shooter. The things i said are NO reason for me NOT to buy the game. I just would be nice to see them included that's all. Btw. i see no replies to the other problems i have with CM. Can i pressume those are things people agree with? AH64D

* As long as the game mechanics work in a realistic manner * Using 5 seconds to drop to the floor is realistic? One of the reasons i posted is because MANY people asked about the graphics...not just me. BTS gave some replies...horspower...which appear not to make sense at all. Also graphics ARE important. Why do you think many sites have POTD? Why do people buy 3d-cards...why are people raving about how much better Quake 3 is better then 2...and so on. Graphics ARE important. Now you be serious and tell me the fire in CM is the most beautifull you have ever seen. You probably won't because they don't AH64D "When in doubt....you know"

Oke, first i would like to say the game looks really promissing. Yet i have played the demo some times and have seen many things that need improvement. Before i start whining , i would like to let you people know i have read MOST posts made on this board. Yes, i have been here since 6 or 7 months ago already, so please bear in mind i'm not some newbie who's too lazy to read previous posts. Things that MUST be changed. 1)Animations. No, i'm not talking about the running ones. Yes i know they have created those. I'm talking about the speed of the animations. When i give my men an order, like "defend", I expect them to get up, and attack (when their morale is ok and a leader nearby). However, when i tell them to, they get up real slow (all men look like they are moving under water) giving the advancing enemy more time to gain ground. This is just plain stupid. If i am attacked my men might get scared and keep their heads in the sand or they might try and run away. I have NEVER seen however that they start moving at 1% at normal humanspeed. Something like "Ok men, we're surrounded. There are 3 things we can do: cower !!! run !!! or start moving 10 times as slow as normal". See what i mean? It's silly. I have tried this with a full squad, 2 leaders near AND they were all at full health. They haven't been in battle yet (so no shellshock ). Not only this animation is dumb. What about the "drop to the ground"-animation. Christ, my men seem to fall down slower then a leave from a tree. Down is down. If i was shot at i would be down in less then .5 secs. Not 3 or 4 secs. STUPID i tell ya. 2)Fire. BTS says creating good looking fire/smoke is too heavy for cpu's nowadays. Not true. Ever heard of d3d? You should...since CM runs with it. Anyway, d3d can produce "transparent smoke/fire" which require LESS horsepower then 4 ugly gifs. Just look at a game like Asherons Call or Quake 3. They have beautiful fire (sometimes over 40 on screen once). And does anyone experience slowdown? Nope. Sure CM uses much cpu-power because of their "3d-shooting-stuff", but as i said before THOSE UGLY GIFS TAKE MORE MEMORY !!! Why am i obsessed with fire/smoke? Because most of the game looks absolutely great (well the tanks do). When is showed it to a friend he told me it looked real good, but when he saw the fire he started laughing, saying Duke Nukem 3d has better fire. Ofcourse i checked, and my god, he was right too. Although Duke uses gifs too, they look MUCH better. I understand it's easy for BTS to just ignore posts about ugly graphics. Using their "3d-world" as an excuse, saying it requires to much power. Well, that's a real shame. I checked with many 3d-artists (not small ones either...but from really big companies) and they all told me that the d3d-smoke/fire is less burden to carry for cpu's if they are running it on a normal pc with a voodoo2 or better. Well then BTS might respond with "Yes, that's it...it's not the 3d-world...it's the voodoo chip. We want the game to be playable by EVERYONE". Well, if so, keep in account that 99% nowadays have voodoo2/3/4 tnt/tnt2 and so on. In other words people owning a voodoo1 are people not willing to spent cash on a thing enhacing their gaming-experieece or simply not having the money. Probably meaning they don't buy this game either. Should the rest get screwed because of this? 3)I hate the shooting/set up-part of the mg's. Sitting behind a mg42 ? I know BTS did this because a soldier laying down is supposed to be one surpressed or wounded, but COME ON, is this the only solution BTS can come up with? Why didn't they make these cowards lay on their back instead of belly? Sure it would look dumb. Then again, a scared person can lay on his back, while a soldier can't fire/aim right when SITTING behind his weapon. So BTS, try to think before you create. You wanted to make a "realistic" wargame, yet you put soldiers in positions that make no sense at all. 4)Buildings. 1 word: UGLY. I know one can not expect very detailed houses because, once again, the horesepower of todays pc's. Yet i think the textures could be much MUCH better. I stood next to a building with my men (no scaling). I noticed a windowd being 4 times as big as me...in a normal house? Wow talking about realism. I like to see NICE textures. Not just 1 with the occassional window. I don't care if you go outside, take pictures of the first/2nd house you see, and import them. 5)Sounds. Weapons sound nice.But my men suck. The only thing they do is the occassional scream for the sergeant or things like that. I need SCREAMS. If i rip a squad appart with a mg42 the soldiers shouldn't just pop-away. No, they SHOULD SCREAM, i bloody killed them !!!! The game looks like a wargame but DOES NOT sound like one, meaning t doesn't play like one, meaning.....why bother? You people probably want to kill me for these remarks. Yet i think it had to be said. Why? Because this COULD be the best playable AND looking game of all time. Yet if they do not solve many small and some big problems, the game will end up like UO9: "Nice game, if you can live with many problems that should have been solved before shipment". This might mean another 3 months waiting. I don't care. There are games i'm waiting for since 1995, yet they have not arrived yet. Please give me normal answers. Don't tell me i should play Quake or something. This is a serious post asking for serious replies. AH64D "When in doubt...smack it about"