game now running , not brilliant, framerate between 10-15, how does that compare to other people , turned all details down, ie shadows none,water detail medium,grass normal,trees medium,tree distance low, models are high(dont want to lose them ),disabled eax, have manged to keep high landscape detail, using 16 bit colour, gonna try 32 bit tomorrow if I get home early from work :mad: at least now its sort of playable :cool: thanks to the forum I'm slowly getting there, more tweaking and should be ok, but what a pain in the ass!!