Zeleban
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2 hours ago, Tenses said:
Ok, I really have read enough of this. You are having serious problems with proper assessment of what polish society is and what is not.
First of all I don’t like farmers, just as Beleg85 said, they are not likable in overall polish society. I guess that it might be something with millions of donations from EU, retirement system where they effectively have it granted for free and a couple of other things. When farmers across EU started their protests by blocking centers of big cities with farming equipment worth in excess of 1 million euros each, it also was not very understandable by people in traffic jams worrying that they will be late to their, oh so well, paid job. But overall this is actually nothing compared to how „likable” are agro-oligarchs in Ukraine. You are now standing in their defense and I would love to see how much of the money they earn is supporting the war. They basically try to abuse unfair competition on EU markets in order to make money, but looking at the financial statements, I don’t see anything like „war tax” in defense of their country, soil that have given them free money, could you please explain me this? How does that compare to billions in direct financial and material support from western countries?
After 2014, when immigration to Poland from Ukraine has increased tenfold, the overall sentiment for Ukrainian people was not perfect in Poland during the start of the war in 2022. Especially among low paid workers, additional competition on job market with low wage expectations were seen as danger. Situation was similar to our US friends, who can elaborate more on overall sentiment toward Mexicans and South American people. Invasion started on 24th of February, my wife spent entire weekend starting 26th on the border, serving hot meals and distributing blankets to the wave of people in need. Week later we went for the local train station, looked around and took home a mother with a child, who have not even spoken a word in Polish/English. She stayed with us for half a year, when she found suitable job and shelter. My then-boss took a family of 8 and even took care of one girl, who was in the middle of chemotherapy, so she could finish it in Poland without problems. This is just a small part of what happened at that time, no one asked questions, no one was whining, because these were people in dire need. Do you think I liked to have a stranger mother with spoiled child in my home? I didn’t, but this is not the point in helping other people to like that. It is to do that effectively and provide whatever is needed despite your feelings or likening. If you will ever work with people like that, you will learn that this is no simple, nor nice task.
Now you are telling me that polish people have showed that they don’t give a **** about Ukraine because they don’t want to give billions of Euro to your corrupted oligarchs, who are most likely closely connected with Russia. Not to mention some of their perfidious actions, which are gaining better coverage in Poland, which directly hit polish stock holders(so effectively all polish people due to retirement system). You must understand that Ukraine has a long way to go before it will be normal country and I am not even saying about the war. Believe me, Poland was on the same track 35 years ago, but it serves as an example that even if things are not perfect, it is doable. At the moment Ukraine is corrupted as were all post Soviet countries, but it is not that important as long as the war goes. This WILL be important, when the war finally ends to continue normal cooperation with the western countries and their business. Hopefully Ukraine will join EU, but it has so much work to do.
And just as a reminder, borders were open to Ukrainian grain, which is not up to EU standards due to blocked export channel through the Black Sea. Now, thanks to marvelous work of Ukrainian drone fleet, this is not an issue anymore, so what exactly are we talking about? No military/humanitarian or other aid was ever blocked, save for some mistakes, nor will be. This is all about bunch of bastards, who want to profit from the blood of your countryman.
You started your opus especially funny. I despise Polish farmers, but I support them in the fight against Ukraine. That is, you hate Ukrainians even more than Polish farmers, right?
It feels like you don’t read my posts. I write about millions of Ukrainians suffering from war and in need of support. But you see me and the rest of the Ukrainians as agro-oligarchs who got rich with EU help and are taking a piece of bread from ordinary Poles.
Your passage about Mexicans is also amusing. As I pointed out earlier, Poles are very similar to a certain group of Americans.
Yes, and I am very sorry for you and your wife, for all the inconvenience that the dirty Ukrainian refugees and their spoiled children caused you. I can imagine the disgust you have endured all this time.
Regarding the drone park and the unblocked sea route from Odessa. I assume you have already heard the latest news from Odessa? The Russians attacked the sea terminal where "agro-oligarchic grain" is loaded. So the situation with maritime logistics is far from normal
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10 hours ago, Beleg85 said:
If I would be AFU soldier, I would prefer as a Christmas present big fat modern gun rather than crying about some part for quadrocopter, but you are entitled to your own opinion naturally. Sorry, doesn't seem like Poland "ditched" Ukraine in any way so far:
That is why today it is possible to close the border with Ukraine and deprive it of other support. If I were a soldier, the first thing I would want for Christmas would not be a big, fat modern pistol, but a bulletproof vest and a CAT tourniquet.
10 hours ago, Beleg85 said:We have business problems that should be solved; what we are seeing now is part of negotiation process. That's all.
The only solution to this problem is the abolition of preferences for grain trade in the EU. One of the main sources of income for the existence of Ukraine. Yes, some of this income may be stolen (it is impossible to fight corruption in one fell swoop, especially in a country that is at war), but a much larger part of these funds allows the Ukrainian economy to stay afloat. That is why the EU gave us these preferences
10 hours ago, Beleg85 said:Btw., talking about volunteers...could you explain me in rational terms why every volunteers from here- be it Pole, Swede, English, Ukrainian from abroad or whoever- must pay a bribe to one of your border guards to actually bring something into UA? You even realise how widespread the practice is and how many people resigned from help cause of it? What is happening with those drones, starlinks and myriad other stuff that they are suddenly found on OLX? Why your journos- despite repeated and grounded reports send to independent media in UA- are so rarely interested in what is happening with this stuff afterwards and actual entire culture of corruption? Why, and I know what I mean, we see the same self-satisfied, fat Soviet faces on the border for the last two years sitting in their posts like bashas, despite numerous assurances that "something will change" from central gov?
Your arguments are ridiculous. They are strikingly similar to MAGA Republicans (or years of Russian propaganda) saying that aid to Ukraine should be cut off because it is a corrupt country.
Nobody forces volunteers to pay bribes on the border with Ukraine. If they want to help, they help, if they don’t want to, they don’t help.
The assertion that our journalists are not interested in corruption in Ukraine simply does not stand up to criticism. We have entire YouTube channels that investigate corruption and expose corrupt officials. Thanks to their investigations, many corrupt officials find themselves behind bars. One of these investigators is BIGUS.Moreover, journalists in the West write their articles about corruption in Ukraine based on investigations by Ukrainian journalists.
The claim that drones and drone parts are sold on OLX is also nonsense. Thanks to FPV strike statistics, we can all see exactly where these drones are heading.
The statement about the “faces” of Ukrainians is especially outrageous. “We must stop helping Ukraine, because Ukrainians have Soviet, not European faces.” You have to recommend this idea to MAGA supporters. I am sure that this statement will gain great popularity among them. By the way, I recommend taking a closer look at the fat and arrogant faces of Polish farmers scattering Ukrainian grain collected from mined fields.
10 hours ago, Beleg85 said:To hell with them, 12 hours of waiting extra at the very least unless you change your mind..." This is not incidental but almost obligatory (depending whom you know), I personally know people who actually wait more on your side of the border than blocked by protesters on other- and this is exactly humanitarian help you mentioned. Perhaps UkrainskaPravda should look into that, instead of spreading fakes about zilions of tonns of Russian grain that- suppesedly- out of a sudden landed in PL?
Polish logic. It turns out that the Ukrainians themselves blocked the borders and blame the Poles for it
10 hours ago, Beleg85 said:Nope Zeleban...you are sabotaging yourself, at many levels. To be brutally honest, I am in more awe of courage of your soldiers, knowing how corrupted, oligarchic and still mirred in Soviet mentallity state structure they defend (and don't read me wrong, I don't mean your nation). There is no reason why farmer from here, or anywhere else from European Union, should be ruined on the altar of extra revenues for some grain oligarch. Zelensky himself mentioned that only 5% of UA grain goes through that border and your country actually increased its revenues totally...so are really things that bad? Or somebody in Kyiv simply
miscalculated it is more profitable to earn some extra by dumping this grain into EU like crazy than keep hot romantic relations with Warsaw. I don't blame them frankly, Bankowa was always very pragmatic when comes to these issues. If they see a looser, they use him; it's part of Soviet diplomatic heritage from very old times that still exists, just as it exists in the military yourself wrote about. Yermak and entire collection of shaddy businessmen that sorrounds him is just example.So, you have said enough arguments to draw a conclusion. Ukrainians are arrogant, corrupt bastards with Soviet faces, who themselves blocked the border with Poland and blame the Poles for this. It is necessary to immediately close the border with them, ending their support. Help suffering Polish farmers instead.
10 hours ago, Beleg85 said:Btw. if you really want to search for scandals, I would turn more attention who actually grew fat and rich on various businesses that are run in your country during war, what percent of actual new revenues goes into your warchest, what is happening along entire length of these chains (including deep into EU or even in Africa) and what stays on someone's account during these transactions. Grain speculation including.
To be honest, I personally don’t care who exactly profited from these supplies. What worries me today is that the soldiers on the front lines have enough resources to contain the plague coming from the east. I think people who help Ukraine in its struggle (and are not looking for reasons to stop supporting) think the same way as me.
10 hours ago, Beleg85 said:Well yes,you are right, but if indeed bringing parts for them is such a problem, why not pack them together already in EU, put into proper military/humanitarian cargos that go unobstructed, instead of civilan ones?
I hope you understand how many bureaucratic obstacles volunteers will have to overcome in order to transport items purchased with donations along with military cargo? These things are needed at the front today.
10 hours ago, Beleg85 said:For what I read among less-panicking sources, main problem caused by protesters is actually with cars for the army that are travelling on formally civilian carriages, that sometimes are indeed severly delayed. There were also instances where actual smaller military cargos were blocked (like famous boat for AFU), but rarely for longer than several hours. The problems with parts for copters is that once prostesters started to letting cargo with drone parts out, naturally every truck instantly started to carry them, regardless if it was fish, vegetables, cars, yogurths and such... I know a story about a driver with oranges who claimed he carried propulsion for drones size of a fist (couldn't show it, naturally, somewhere in the middle), and even had complete of barely faked documents. Therefore, valid military cargo.
What cunning and resourceful bastards - they came up with the opportunity to deliver goods bypassing the demands of a gang of random outcasts. What right does this bunch of greedy characters have to check drivers’ documents and inspect cargo at the border? I thought this is what Polish border guards are for?
10 hours ago, Beleg85 said:Btw. the same surprise goes for European Union policies. Everybody in 2022 expected Ukraine will neeed these land borders as lifelines when Black Sea trade will be cut; that was original reason why any limits were lifted. But Ukraine managed pretty well, sea roads were unblocked and even prosper, and main things that travel through this border is cars, food stuff and myriad other civilian things that have little to do with war.
Another brilliant reason to stop supplies to Ukraine. Ukraine is already feeling great. Almost too good. Why does the population of a warring country need food and civilian goods?
If everything were as you claim, the EU would have abolished benefits for Ukraine long ago. Oh yes, the cunning Europeans conspired with the greedy Ukrainians to deprive the poor Poles of income.
10 hours ago, Beleg85 said:Rant about brothership and all is emotional in nature and have little to do with actual policies of both states; I could respond that brother does not wait to ruin the house he was welcomed in or at least display minimal ability for cooperation, but that is so banal I won't do that. Also remember farmers are just one social group, not representative for entire society.
Oh, so the Ukrainians are destroying Poland? Then why don't the Poles join the Russians and save their country from the vile Ukrainians?
I see very well how actively the Poles support this social group. At least judging by the post you posted above.
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4 hours ago, Beleg85 said:
So local farmer going broke should actually be indeed happy, cause somebody in Africa is hungry and is in worse situation? Now that is optimistic attitude.
Well, of course not. We need to help destroy a neighboring state (whose combat effectiveness largely depends on the supply of volunteers from abroad) and worsen our situation by establishing common borders with the most aggressive state of our time, which has repeatedly stated its readiness to destroy Poland.
4 hours ago, Beleg85 said:Last time you projected that Ukraine will surely fall till December, at the start of the year at the most. Now you found yourself a reason for some Dolchstoss theory?
I must admit, I did not expect such a massive use of FPV drones (spare parts for manufacturing are supplied, among other things, through Poland). Today our front line is based on the massive use of these drones.
4 hours ago, Beleg85 said:And not, not every protest was anti-Ukrainian, not even majority; but to know this, you would need entire picture of situation, not the one oligarchic media coctail serves you now. In Augustów for example protesters on one of largest meetings put UA banners on display,
Believe me, I and my friends don’t care at all whether the protesters in Poland are carrying Ukrainian or Russian flags. Just give us the opportunity to continue our fight. I must say that Turkey freely trades with Moscow, helps resell stolen Ukrainian grain, and supplies spare parts for Russian weapons. And yet, no one here even thinks of calling the Turks traitors, and all because the Turks never promised us full assistance in our war and never called us brothers.
4 hours ago, Beleg85 said:Artificial hysterias are not helpful in building solutions.
You say that as if Ukraine now has no problems with supplies, and everything that I described above is just little things that I came up with. Let me remind you that the Ukrainian army is critically dependent on the supply of volunteers. Starting from hemostatic tourniquets, radio stations and night vision devices, and ending with drones and cars.
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1 hour ago, Beleg85 said:
That being said, there are likely some Russian products imported here, but probably not directly- i.e. in the same way grain and oil are circling on wide global markets through middle-men in Kazakhstan, Turkey etc. (sometimes these chains have dozens of links)
But in the video, a Ukrainian journalist, allegedly on behalf of a Belarusian company, negotiates directly with a Polish company to sell rapeseed. Without any intermediaries.
1 hour ago, Beleg85 said:but their situation became so dire that even Brussels-connected Tusk cannot ignore their pleas anymore.
Poor farmers in Poland. I always remember their emaciated, exhausted faces from malnutrition during rocket attacks on Russia. At these moments I feel a little better - it turns out there are people on earth who suffer more than me.
But in general, you will agree that the protest of a small number of marginalized people in Poland has expanded significantly. Now they are supported by the majority of the Polish population and even the Polish government.
And soon we will see how Ukrainians, taking pity on the plight of Polish farmers, will begin to collect donations for them in order to protect them from starvation. How wrong I was about Ukraine’s allies earlier.
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My former classmate shared his photos, it turns out he serves as a crew member of the Marder infantry fighting vehicle and is undergoing training in Germany
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9 minutes ago, evilcommie said:
I don't think the f-16 will make that much of a difference. In fact, I think less than other wunderwaffe's as RU does have pretty robust air denial against aircraft targets.
You are right and there is plenty of evidence of this on the Internet. For example
But seriously, we have repeatedly witnessed the weakness of Russian air defense systems at key points, such as the Air Defense Headquarters in Crimea and the naval base in Sevastopol. Now imagine how difficult it will be for the Russians to block many kilometers of the front from F-16 attacks
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https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/02/29/7444412/
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/02/29/7444429/
Ukrainian journalists conducted an investigation on the border between Poland and Belarus and found that Poland is increasing trade with Belarus (and therefore with Russia). While the border with Ukraine plans to completely close
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Episodes of clearing the village of Krasnohorivka (Avdiiv direction) from the Russians The soldiers of the 3rd company of the 1st assault battalion and the 2nd company of the 2nd assault battalion of the 3rd OShBr are working
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Russian planes are no longer afraid to fly as close as possible to Ukrainian positions to drop controlled air bombs. It looks like a well-planned operation, with lancets destroying long-range air defenses and planes dropping bombs from high altitude to avoid SHORAD. This tactic is becoming more and more effective. I laugh when people here claim that the F-16 won't make a difference on the battlefield. After all, the F-16 is capable of carrying a wide variety of guided bombs. 50 F-16s is about the same as the Russians have SU34s on the southern sector of the front
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FPV shrapnel type with air blast. MON-50 mine tied to FPV
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An example of how Russians continue to purchase equipment in the West, circumventing sanctions
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The Russian opposition channel Meduza noted the growth rate of money in the accounts of Russians from some regions after the start of the war. The following regions are noted: Tyva, Chechnya, Buryatia, Altai, Dagestan, North Ossetia, Adygea, Mari Earl, Trans-Baikal Territory. Despite the war, Russians are getting richer
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I watched a video about the history of corruption and Russia’s use of “useful idiots” in the West.
Oh my God. This has been going on for literally centuries. During all this time, this scheme has changed little. Cash handouts, flattery and sycophancy force even the smartest and most educated people in the West to serve the interests of Moscow.
Leibniz and Voltaire, Bernard Shaw and Henri Barbusse, Einstein and Romain Roland. And also, of course, a number of human rights and social organizations and communities. All this is painfully reminiscent of the current situation in the West.
Unfortunately the video is without translation
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11 hours ago, poesel said:
While we talk about Krynky: what happened to traversing the former lake above the Kakhovka dam? Is it dry enough, or will it be impossible to cross for the next years? Or doesn't that make any sense to do anyway?
This area is a real hell for troops trying to cross to the other side. Absolutely open land, visible for many kilometers, cut by many small swamps and branches of the Dnieper. If troops decide to attack here, they will have to cross not just one riverbed, but several, and this under the gun of enemy ATGMs, helicopters and FPVs.
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Russian propagandist Romanov complains that despite Shoigu's statements that Krynki was captured by the Russians, the Ukrainian Armed Forces were able to advance in Krynki to the west towards the Cossack Camps and that there is a TOTAL concealment of information from the high command
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57 minutes ago, Butschi said:
In addition, even if article 5 is invoked it doesn't oblige anyone to anything beyond sending a letter of condolences. It says every nation supports the nation under attack in a way it deems appropriate.
This is why I don’t understand why Ukrainians dream so much of joining NATO. We have already received this even without participation in NATO. The countries have gathered, consulted and are helping to the extent they deem necessary. What will change if Ukraine joins NATO?
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19 minutes ago, Carolus said:
It's not a law, it's an international treaty. These are two legally distinct things.
And the norm is simply that a country must want to participate in international law and behaving in an orderly and reliable manner, or deal with the diplomatic consequences of not doing so.
Theoretically the other countries might decide to sanction that country in some way, but enforcement on an international scale is inherently difficult. Individual persons are subject to the authority of a state because the state owns the monopoly of violent enforcement (as an ultimate end) and the inherent massive power difference between state and indiviudal makes this enforcement easy and reliable, but states see themselves as ultimately sovereign actors on the same legal level, and much depends on their individual status versus each other.
That's right, that is, NATO's military effectiveness will be based on the unity of NATO member countries. Is it worth reminding that there is no such thing as unity among NATO member countries? We have Turkey, Hungary, Slovakia and Germany whose chancellor "is not obliged to do what France and the UK are doing"
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3 minutes ago, Carolus said:
.... article 5 is a legal clause.
Yes, there is also a lot of symbolism attached to it and for good reason.
But it is ultimately a legal procedure which requires legal justification to invoke. A legal procedure which all nations of the treaty agreed to follow as per its carefully worded letter.
What if, for example, Germany, despite legal norms, still refused to participate in the NATO war (after all, no one wants to be drawn into a third world war)? Is there a mechanism for enforcement to comply with the requirements of these legal norms? After all, we all know that any law must have a mechanism of enforcement. Otherwise, it’s just an ordinary declaration that is not binding.
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9 minutes ago, Butschi said:
I think. Just because France and UK do it doesn't mean everyone else is suddenly obliged to do it, too.
This is everything we need to know about Western unity
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5 hours ago, Grigb said:
- Abrams got destroyed because UKR committed Abrams at Avdiivka direction to battle in recent days.
- NASAMS got destroyed as part of the intensification of RU campaign against that illusive Patriot.
- Caesar looks like Bohdana.
- Archer is a combination of two videos. First conveniently stops at range when EW usually disables the drone. Second video, well, is not clear. And initially only the first video was published in TG. Looks like somebody realised that it is not convincing enough and decided to "improve" it.
They always dedicate significant effort to destroy foreign weapons. RU general admission western weapons superiority is a sure sign they caused RU tremendous pain that cannot be denied.
For some reason, only the tactical or strategic reasons for this or that Russian action are always assessed, but the moral and psychological reasons are completely ignored. For example, why does Russia need to seize Avdeevka or Bakhmut. Or why Russia is so persistent in hunting for Western armored vehicles.
The capture of Avdeevka had a significant moral and psychological impact on both the Russian or Ukrainian population, and on Western citizens. The Russians received a morale boost from the fact that they were able to take an impregnable fortress that had resisted for 10 years, which indicates an improvement in their army. Ukrainians and Westerners received a decrease in morality, for the same reasons. It's the same with Western military equipment. The demonstration of even a single burning Abrams or leopards helps to reduce the faith of Western people in the invincibility of their military equipment.
But most importantly, the voices of those who are against sending Western equipment to Ukraine are sounding louder and more convincing. This is precisely the goal that the Russians are pursuing. To deprive Ukraine of Western support is the main goal of both Avdiivka and the possible capture of Robotino. Pay attention to the number of defeatist articles in the world's media after each such event. It would not be surprising if Russia sponsors such articles, increasing the moral effect of these events and further reducing Western support for Ukraine.
You have all discussed a lot here about the influence of this or that type of weapons supplied to Ukraine on the course of hostilities. ANY type of weapons supplied to Ukraine has a significant impact on the war. On the one hand, it shows Ukrainians that they are not alone in their struggle and significantly improves their morale. On the other hand, it shows the Russians that the West is not going to leave Ukraine without help in the face of the aggressor and that the end of the war is still very far away, which means they will have to continue to pay in blood and significant inconvenience for each newly captured senseless piece of land.
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Good news. Hero of Ukraine Colonel Sukharevsky has been appointed Deputy Commander-in-Chief for the use of unmanned systems. He is known among the troops on the positive side as the commander of one of the best and most effective brigades - the 59th Motorized Infantry Brigade. All the drone related bloggers claim that this will definitely improve the efficiency of using drones. In the general photo he is on the far left
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7 hours ago, Bulletpoint said:
I completely agree, but I think this was essentially what got Zeluzhny fired.
Now, with the new general, I expect to see a new and more brutal offensive by Ukraine in the spring. And this time, they won't call it off even when the casualties really start to mount.
Offensive? Through what means? Ukraine now receives only about 10% of the aid it received last year. And that help turned out to be insufficient for the offensive. Everyone is well aware of this, especially the generals. Currently, the front line is held only by FPV. And as we see near Avdeevka, as soon as the weather does not allow the effective use of FPV, the Russians manage to break through the front.
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Your words are similar to the words of a man who spent many hours at the corrupt Ukrainian border in the hope of delivering humanitarian aid to suffering Ukrainians, fighting thousands of corrupt Ukrainian officials who are doing their best to prevent him from carrying out his good mission. I see so much pain and suffering in your posts. I'm truly sorry for you