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Hey, the IS3 have been recaptured by the ukrainian army:
Nte the additional fuel tank, and machinegun mount. He doesn't seem to have to suffered.
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Michael, Oddball - tommy guns and tommy gunners is what the Russians called them. The Thompson submachinegun was famous from the roaring twenties, and just like Kleenex is used to mean tissue, tommy gun was used to mean submachinegun, generically. Of course the model was the PPsH-41, or later those mixed with the 43 model. It isn't my slang, it is theirs, a period thing not a nationality thing. (A German would say machine pistol, Russians didn't say that).
The russian receive, from lend-lease, some Thompson SMG.
I personnaly know 3 folks that have buy one when the russian "disclassified" their stock (relatively recently)
They were regular thompsons, along whith ppsh41, Mosin, DP-28, captured K98 and so from russian stocks.
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Ah, another one:
Droujkovka city lost his plinthed Tank too...
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The thing is, due to the governments air superiority and the vast amount of ground based threads for an IS-3 on a modern battlefield, they cant use it in the classical MBT role.
A single tank cannot take this role. It must be in a entire fully armored and mobile unit for that. If not, it fall into the "infantry support" task.
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except for the BM59/M14 in the middle
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I remember a video taken in Syria:
Tousand of Stg44...
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Hello.
It's what I have:
In WW2, French army was divided in 2 main branches:
- FFL "Free French Forces", wo was the "regular" french army: commanded by De Gaulle: mostly colonial forces, and all the soldiers who refuse to fight for Vichy and go to the colony or UK.
- FFI "Inside French Forces", wo was the "unregular": Maquis, Resistance, ect.
The FFL have some formed armored divisions in normandy, equiped with US tanks, the famous 2eDB "Leclerc", and as a regular army, have some training, were equiped, experienced (1940 and Afrika campaign, ect).
The FFI, in constrast, was "local" units, mostly not experienced, and with poor armament.
Capitain Besnier was initialy a reserve lieutnant, who engaged itself in the FFI in 1944, after the debarquement. He's graduate in 1939 from the tank school of Versailles.
He rapidly make a "mobile group" with some civilians cars, and even a sidecar bike armed with a FM ^^ And notably took 2 germans mortars, and make some remarquable limited but rapid actions.
the St-Nazaire FFI colonel contact the normandy FFI, that were very interressed by the speciality of this Lieutnant, as the FFI have absolutely no armored forces, but in normandy, and in particular the "pocket Falaise", belong many germans abandonned tanks, that maybe he can refurbish.
Besnier go with some mecanicians for an inspection, and it's where they took and repair their germans tanks.
Here an interview of one of these mecanicians:
http://www.ranes1944.org/DesFFINormands.pdf
They repair the tanks were they are, with the parts of other destroyeds tanks.
In some of the abandonned german tanks belong the corpses of their previous crews...
"Bien que nous n'ayons jamais conduit ces engins, il faut nous
débrouiller seuls, nous n'avons pas de moniteurs de conduite !"
"We never have drive these things, but we must do it yourself, we have no driving instructor!"
The Besnier unit was the only one FFI armored unit.
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Internet give me a photo of the FFL Panther of this "FFI armored" with german tanks:
- PANTHER V Ausf G (renammed DAUPHINé),
The photo is legended: Capitaine Guy BESNIER on the binoculars.
On this "pocket", in this escadron were:
1 TIGRE I (nickname BRETAGNE then January 1945 nickname COLMAR. You can see it today at SAUMUR TANK MUSUEM ),
1 PANTHER V Ausf G (nicknamed DAUPHINé, the one in picture),
1 PANTHER V Ausf A (often out of ordre...),
11 PANZER IV (nickname ILE DE FRANCE, POITOU, NORMANDIE, FLANDRE, VENDEE, ANJOU, ALSACE etc...),
2 STUG III G,
1 CHASSEUR DE CHAR MARDER I on chenillette LORRAINE,
1 CHASSEUR DE CHAR JAGDPANZER IV L70,
2 HALFTRACK 350cv sdkfz 10 FAMO for trackting wreck,
1 OPELBLITZ with électrogène group,
4 OPELBLITZ and 4 civils trucks,
1 SCHWIMWAGEN,
1 HORCH, KUBELWAGEN,
4 Pak 40,
2 sdkfz 251 HANNOMAG,
1 sdkfz PANZERWERFER 42 (nickname St NAZAIRE A)
"But without ammo" ^^
3 PANHARD 178 one of them "German adaptation" PAK 50mm Pack (nickname BETOUCHKA),
1 KETTENKRAD to tract Pak 40,
Many tractions CITROEN ( Capt BESNIER's car without door very useful for quick exit...),
1 SIDECAR IMPERIAL PEUGEOT armed with FM 24/29,
many moto and other civil vehicle as troop transport,
1 HALFTRACK CITROEN P19 Kégresse,
1n camion UNIC with 2 french 81mm mortar,
And some others things, mostly rebuild from abandonned/destroyed germans tanks in normandy.
Maybe one of these days, I must try to reassemble all my documentation on these, and make a CM scenario ^^ These pocket wasn't a peacefull story: the german make some attempt to break their imprisonnement... (they take an offensive and 60km advance in december 44 for exemple)
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Thanks, John
Is that a shell scar near the hub on the first image?Hehe, good eyes, but no.
It's a cavity, that's was part of the legends of Satan's mill.
The cavity contain a Santa Maria statue.
The legends is that the mill was build on the hill in one night. Who can build a Mill in one night?
they was in these old days (1500s), where peasants was poor, and have numerous childs.
Satan make a classic deal with one poor britanny peasant with numerous child to eat and one to come: your soul in exchange of building a windmill before the end of the night.
The peasant, jobless and next to these terrible personnage, and with a bribe next to born a new child, accept the deal.
Fortunately, his wife see his sad looking, and make a plan:
The peasant stole a stone in the Satan's stack, and hide it near his house.
As Satan has almost finished his mill, the peasan wife come, and say "The Mill is not finished yet! It lack a stone! Finish your job, or leave!"
Satan, as they have big power, have seen the peasan manoeuvers, and know where the last stone was. It laugh, and just came after the last stone...
But immediately after Satan turned his back, the wife put a santa maria statue in lieu of the last stone.
So, Satan could not remove the Maria's statue to finish the Mill, and the deal was over.
As a matter of vengeance, Satan make some wind so hard that it take off the earth on the hill, but the windmill was solid and stand well ^^ (these hills today were wery rocky and poor lands)
The peasant and his wife last long and rich life.
This is one of the numerous variants of the story ^^ (this is the good end. Thay have some with bad ends... and other involved gold tooth and strange rivers paths...)
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Since I'm pretty sure we all know the rough size of a windmill, I invite you to consider the huge target it presents for a weapon designed to kill relatively low profile tanks head on at 2000 meters or more. If you don't, the drawing of air flow for a windmill should prove helpful.
http://www.let.rug.nl/polders/boekje/features.htm
Windmill groggery gone wild!
http://wind.nrel.gov/public/library/shepherd.pdf
Regards,
John Kettler
In the region of my little story, it's these sort of windmill: ("smallfoot" type ^^)
The first, in particulars, was know as the "Moulin du Diable", or Satan's Mill. These is a legends about it...
It was a Mill I have seen many times when was a Child: I was born in St Nazaire...
Note that it's solid stone construction let it work from 1500s to 1800s and last to today!
Fortunately, no Panther take it for field exercice ^^
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I disagree, given the cost difference I do not think a Conscript should be able to zero in the range that quickly at that extreme distance.
It's not a general rule, but I have an anecdote.
It take place in 1945, at the "St Nazaire pocket".
They are some Germans (about 30.000) trapped here, protecting a submarine base. They have stocked many ammo and arty rounds.
Their opponents where some US artylleries, and FFL (Free French Forces) just engaged after the debarquement.
The FFL have some captured german tanks, too. (8th cuirassier)
They where not even conscripts, more militia. The 2 sides (germans and french) essentially look at each other, waiting for the war to end, but make some limited foot operations and artillery harassement.
One of these was an attack by an captured FFL Panther at an german arty observation position (In fact, an wind mill in top of a hill...)
The Panther took fire at about 3000 meters. At the 3th shoot it hit the mill.
(The germans abandonned the position after the first shoot, so, nobody was harm ^^)
OK, it was a Mill-sized target. But not that bad, isn't?
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it would be a shame if that t34 got destroyedit it looked like it was in great condition
Many have been destroyed in Yougoslav Wars: (1990s: it was yesterday...)
http://armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=191757
What I find really funny is these WW2 Hellcats re-motorized with soviets trucks engines.
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I was checking out a video link from the CM: Black Sea update thread and stumbled on this:
I guess Ukrainian military museums don't do much deactivation prep work on their tanks before presenting them to the public!
Here, the insides:
A bit of rust and some abadonned vodka bottles, but still working...
Yes, these old IS-3 tanks were 100% fonctional (including main gun if I trust a friend). But good luck finding ammo ^^
He's gone... where?
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Here, the french translation, dated 1945:
http://manuelduchartigre.blogspot.com/
Note, I found this about the french translation of this manual:
après avoir fait plus de 2 nuits blanches de recherches pour savoir par qui il a était traduit et pour qu'elle division mécanisée ce manuel a t'il était écrit , j'ais trouver la réponse , dans les archives militaires des u.s.a ( U.S NARA ) .
voici ce que j'y est trouver :
ce manuel a était traduit par un officier alsacien de la das Reich capturer pendant la bataille de Koursk , puis par je ne sais quel accords secrets entre l'URSS et nôtres gouvernement ( Français ) , il a était livrer a nôtres gouvernement par l'URSS ( comme t'en d'autres ) pour être entre guillemets juger pour crimes contres l’humanité ; comme vous ne le savez peut être pas une GRANDE partie de c'est Français n'on jamais était condamnes quoi que dise nôtres gouvernement , car ils nous ont apportes pleins de bon et GRANDS conseils pour entraîner nôtres armée renaissante après la WW2 .
enfin bref ce manuel a était écrit :
pour la Hitlerjugend , la das Reich et la wiking der ss division .
MERCI d'avance pour vos réponses .
Maybe this translation has been done by an "alsacien" (inhabitant of the disputed territories between France and Germany) from der "Das Reich" SS, captured by URSS, send to french justice, where it as done this manual in 1945 for the new french army. (and never see jail... bah!)
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Showing the new driver reading the (previously unknown to me and of doubtful existence) Panzer IV Fibel was a stroke of comic relief genius.
Regards,
John Kettler
This lack of images:
The "Tiger manual" is maybe a bit doubtfull, but even have a french translation (probably for FFI : French Forces of Interior, that use some german captured tanks in 1944/1945 - mostly Pz4 and Panther, but even 2 Tigers ^^)
The "Pz4 Fibel" in "Girls und Panzer" is an "extrapolation", but it really hit the point.
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I will just add to your discussion that, after the initial Barbarossa operation, both Germany and USSR switch to "total war" state doctrins.
At this stage, the superbs actions and battles, audacious movements encirclements and so on, where secondary events.
The objectives became, instead "winning in the battlefield": destroying the entire ennemy state system, logistics, politics, industries, ect, ect.
In fact, the soviets loose many mens, many armies, many battles. But that don't really matter in a "total war" doctrine, where the main objective is not in the battlefield. But increasing is industrial and social power of destruction and destroying his opponent counterparts.
Before Barbarossa, these is "clausewitch" point of view in German's doctrine: A suprise operations and audacious movements to to encircles and destroy the ennemy armys and "Hop!" win the war.
But for winning a "total war", you have to destroy more than just an army.
The soviets in WW2 will never have stopped on germany frontiers. No matter the cost.
and sorry for my bad english ^^
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It's an abstraction.
THIS is an abstraction:
We want an accurate simulation!
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Thank you! I try it... a very small turnout of a quick battle:
A tiger has been spotted in this small town town, killing brave motherland's fighters ...
But the armor cavalery is here taking some reinforcement of tankodescentnikis down in the woods, and have a good time for an surprise combined improvised attack on the rear and side of the tiger...
Halas! The never cowardless nazis have hidden some 20mm Flak that fire mercyless on the brave ISU-122 tankonikis, giving enough time to the german cat to flip his turret 180 degree and fire first. (I raged ^^) (88mm at point blanck range: impressive penetration from front to rear! Cheated, no?)
2 seconds too late for his comrades, The vengefull T-34/76 crewmans perforate the big cat belly with a APCR round righ on the flank: Tiger down! (partial penetration on lower hull, but Tiger crew abandon his tank...)
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Hello.
What do you use for taking in-game screenshots? A software of some sort?
Thanks.
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I suspect that "splitting team" is the key for "normal" foxholes.
Even if you don't split them, the game engine consider your squad a as "group of teams" together.
But if you move your "group of teams" to an area, each individual team, even not splitted, will issue an individual movement and placement. Near to the other. So not exactly in the foxholes.
After all, it's how it's intended to work: when a entire squad move ou place, all teams will not move "packed" but in a close distance to each others.
so, splitting is the key for fitting all that meat in the correct holes ^^
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the tank was in a wooded area and my soldiers ran across an open field, just to the left of the tank, and ended up on its flank, 5 meters away. soon after they stopped, the tank started to move and that is when they saw it.
Maybe...
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YankeeDog - yeah, I think 200 yards is actually about the limit of for effective fire from a PPsH. Maybe 250 at the outside, used in volume by lots of people e.g. The gun itself had sights with just 2 range settings, 100 and 200 yards. At 200 yards, the bullet has dropped 15 inches from its apex (assuming a 100 yard zero), and at 250 that increases to about 27 inches. At 500 yards that figure grows to more like 12 feet and you are "golfing", holding the gun way above the target and trying to "arc" the rounds in.
In practice, you would zero the sights for 100 yards, which puts the bullets only about 2 inches high at 50 and dead on at 100 using that range setting on the sight. Then the second range setting can put you "on" at 200, despite the 15 inches of drop, and you would just use that setting without further "Kentucky windage" beyond that point. At 250 you would have bullets hitting a foot low, but your target will have some size and you will be spraying some anyway and you can probably get hits that way. But at 500? Wildest stroke of luck...
Note that PPSH41 have a flip rear sight set for 100 and 200 meters.
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For some reason, the M1 Carbine always seems to get an undeservedly bad rap. Not sure why; to be sure, it's nowhere near the power of a full rifle round like .30-'06, and it's also weaker and ballistically inferior to the various assault rifle rounds, but it's a heck of a lot more powerful than the pistol rounds it was intended to replace.
Whether you look at Muzzle Velocity, Velocity at Range, Projectile Mass, or Total Projectile Energy, the .30 Carbine round short from an M1 Carbine beats a 7.62x25mm Tokarev round shot from a PPsh-41 or any similar platform, hands down.
Now it might be that a specific Tokarev round has more wounding power than a specific .30 carbine round (for example, a hollow-point Tokarev vs. a plain-old ball .30 carbine), but that's not really a fair comparison. Compared like with like, the .30 Carbine is a much more powerful round and will therefore, on average, inflict much more significant wounds.
If you were forced into the choice of getting shot with one or the other, the Tokarev is the clear choice, doesn't matter whether you're a hog or a human.
You're looking at the round only. But look at the platform that shoot it. If you're going to be shoot by a soviet armed with a PPSh41 in 1944, you probably will be hit by more than one round and in a fraction of a second.
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