alan15rus
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....So is there anyone who's working on the scenario?
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Lavrov is a badass! Talk about "keepin' it real"!
With Miliband can't blame him though - wtf were the Brits [known for their careful approach to foreign policy] thinking when they put an arrogant boy as a Foreign Minister...
Yeahhh!
3rd world war not as far as you think:DSoon we'll get that "roll call" from Dima aka "Medved"
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"Politic Mission: Word Force"
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alan15rus,
That something else is gas and oil pipelines to the Black Sea
Here is an article I just found from 2006 that gives some background on some of the conflict between Russia and Georgia regarding energy.Steve
Those pipelines were transferring gas to Georgia by Russia(from Russia, not from S.Ossetia) - it means that if Russia wants it can cut them off.
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Using US for Georgian spec forces could work for several reasons: 1) Small arms used by Georgian special forces were of American, German and Israeli origin (predominantly M4s and m240 machine guns from what it looks like) 2) We can combine them with hummers 3) don't even have to reskin them since they used marpad (although marpad woodland would still be nice).
I really wish they added BTR-80, and I must admit it is mostly for aesthetic reasons. I just cannot muster enough imagination to pretend that the super crappy BTR-60 is BTR-80 (even though in gameplay terms we won't notice much difference since game engine doesn't simulate things like engine and tranny breakdowns on BTR-60 and with respect to combat characteristics the two are similar). Plus BTR-60 is just so repulsive to look at compared to the 80 version (just my personal opinion).
Oh yeah. My bad. I forgot that you have to acquire those Javelins. By the way I remember some people were saying "...georgians were dressed in black..."(they were talking about Spec's).
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Scenario, or better a campaign, does sound better than arguing here:) While Russian forces can be simulated well (expecially with T-90 and BMP-3 coming up) - what about Georgians? Or rather how to combine Red and Blue on one side to make believable Georgian army? For special foces US infantry of Green/Regular quality will do, however for regulars Red side units have to come in. Equipment wise, T-72 TURMS can act as T-72 SIM, BMP 1/2 are both viable, Hummers are a must, and i'm fairly sure Georgians used T-55s as well.
Oh God - I've forgot about Marines module coming out(T-90's and BMP-3's).
But why use US infantry for spec forces? Georgians don't have Javelins (though they were using M4's and M60's.(but only Spec's were using M's)) I think 70% of georgian forces should be made of Red mech. infantry units(BMP's and BTR's)(and of course T-72's). And you're right, it will be a problem to combine Red and Blue to create georgian Spec. Forces(maybe even create some mods?).
And those T-55's you're talking about(I think you've seen them in some videos haven't you?) - were probably S.Ossetians(I saw 2 in Java).
Plus georgian Spec. Forces should have "Fanatic" level of motivation, while some parts of Mech. Infantry "Poor"(reinforcements for example)...
but Humvees were few I guess.
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Guys, instead of spending your energy on arguing, why don't you instead spend it to make a mission(s) that recreates this conflict. CMSF has the equipment, terrain is reasonable and the events and maps are available on the internet.
Trust me, it would really be appreciated by CM community more than fighting here
YES!! I've told you 2 times already - let's make scenario (and thank God CM "is not about politics"
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About the Georgia conflict, I'm actually quite sure S. Ossetia wasn't a real issue for either Russia, Saakash or U.S.. No offense to any Osset (Alan particularly), but the region simply doesn't hold any real value. A few mountains and sheep.
However I think Georgia was trying to pull of something here. Perhaps Saakashvilli is stupid, but come'on, not THAT stupid. He must have known there would be a response from Russia. He did know that his army didn't hold any single chance against Russia. Even had he defeated the 58th, I'm sure Russia would have brought up more soldiers. Its like a K1 fight of Harry Potter VS Sem Schildt (Multiple time K1 winner). If Harry Potter think he could have won anything militarily, I need some of that **** he smokes
Perhaps it was a test for Russia. I don't think he would believe USA would start WWIII about S. Ossetia (mountains & sheep).
However I wouldn't be surprised if Russia hold some of the strings behind this (If that would be the case, only FSB and sort alike would know), to make sure Georgia doens't join Navo and to set an example for the rest of the caucasus (Dont fok with us).
I also wouldn't be surprised if this was a sneaky way of USA to put advanced weaponry inside Georgia aimed against Russia. Something like; here is a billion $ for you on an offshore bank account. You will wage war against russia and be defeated, we supply your country with many $, which you use to buy weapons from us (which will let Carlyle and Haliburton cash in major, sounds familiar?), and we need to have a small (covert) military base somewhere so we can install a few *things* there. Perhaps a little "anti-missile shield" to protect us from "Iran missiles".
What really did happen though, is :confused:
It's ok about our land, you're 100% right - we don't have oil, gas or something else...
And I completely agree with you on other parts of your post.
By the way - to get into NATO a country must not have any problems inside of it(civil war for example
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FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!! C'mon guys, more insults please and don't forget the loser get's herring-bashed. Frogs vs Ivan is very entertaining for the bystander.
GET IT ON!
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Yo, alan15rus!
In your profile you're saying that you're a true hc CM:SF player, 24/7/365 and all.
For a change, why wouldn't you contribute something to the topics related to the game it self?
You seem like you know your stuff...
It's not my fault that people want to talk about politics but not about the game itself.
I WANTED to talk about CM related things but it turned out to be a discussion about politics(though I'm not interested in politics so much)...
I've even said that i would like to help someone with the scenario on the war.
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The great Achilles Heel of the Russian government appears to be, they seem honestly to think that the rest of the world takes the statements of Vladimir Putin at face value just like it is taken in the Russian government.
You don't want to listen to Putin? But why don't listen to me-the man who saw it with his own eyes? And there is one more thing: even if whole world will scream that Putin or Medvedev are liars what will change?
and few words about media these days
compare these articles:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/09/11/sossetia.russia.ap/index.html
http://news.mail.ru/politics/2011386/
funny, isn't it?
...it seems like the whole world gone crazy... you can't be sure what is the truth... Is there any truth at all??
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Well that guy Koikoty was talking several thousand ethnic Ossetians killed by Georgians in the first couple of days of the war in ethnic cleansing, and when the Human Rights Watch got in and started counting, it turned out there had been about 150 - 200 deaths in Tskhinvali during the war, most attributable to artillery fire.
The most entertaining bit of course is the Russian major media reported the "1,000s killed in Georgian ethnic cleansing" pretty much 24/7, and they have yet to report what the HRW had to say of the numbers, if only to to reject them as Capitalist inventions. So as far as the Russian general public is concerned, the Georgians really did murder all those Ossetians.
it's hard to count now because some people buried their relatives in their own gardens or somewhere else.
I spoke to people who saw georgians killing women and children. In one of the Ossetian villages georgians burnt church with people inside(Ossetians thought that those "warriors" won't shoot at church... Yes georgians DID murder innocent people(and i'm not talking about artillery barrage).
You talking about the Human Rights Watch so show us official documents from them. But why should we listen to some people who weren't there at the time of war?
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I HOPE it's propaganda. We'll find out in 2 weeks.
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For those who know Russian:
МОСКВА, 10 сен — РИА Новости. Грузия в ближайшие дни готовит повторные вооруженные акции против населения Южной Осетии и Абхазии, говорится в заявлении Межпартийного совещания по внешней политике, которое в среду подписали представители все парламентских партий.
По итогам обсуждения ситуации на Кавказе с участием главы Минобороны РФ Анатолия Сердюкова парламентарии отмечают, что «очередной виток обострения может быть спровоцирован (Тбилиси) в увязке с проведением в Грузии выездного заседания Совета НАТО 14-15 сентября».
...bad, really bad...
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Alan,
As for the next Georgian strike, you better get ready. The way it looks the West is going to re-arm Georgia bigger and better than before. And countries have a tendency of learning from defeat, look at how Egypt improved its performance from 1967 to 1973.
It would be suicidal for Georgia to strike again. Next time we'll(Russians and Ossetians) have to get to Tbilisi itself, not just stop by S.Ossetian border.
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BTW, I am all for a more economically prosperous Russia. Not only does it make for a better, more balanced world economy but it also makes Battlefront more profitable We have several Russian partners, products, and marketing/distribution agreements. When we first started Battlefront the only games of ours for sale in Russia were pirated CDs for less than $1 a piece. Now we actually consider the revenue from Russia to be significant.
So it's nonsense to suggest that if someone disagrees how Russia is handling itself that that person also wants Russia to be weak. I disagree with a LOT of what my own country does (here and around the world), that doesn't mean I want us to be sitting around in poverty with Canadians messing around with our borders
Oh, I find it to be funny (I do mean funny) that anybody in Russia can be pissed off about what weapons are used against their forces. Using that same logic then the US should never speak with Russia again because almost all the weapons it is likely to face in combat are supplied by Russia
I am not angry with Lebanon that it used US weapons against Israel, or that US weapons were used against US forces in Panama, or that US surplus warships were used against the British, etc. That's just the way things work in this world. If one really cared about this then there would be no international arms sales between anybody for any reason ever. And that's never, ever going to happen.Steve
Steve I agree with you 200%
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Bigduke6
Anyway, thanks to Russia, S.Ossetians are alive and independent. I don't really care about politics and whole that paper stuff. You can call me ignorant, but why should I care about some games some people play? We finally got peace, but if georgians strike again, we'll not stop by Ossetian borders. We'll go deep inside and make sure they won't be able to strike another time(and i don't think that council of UN or someone else will come and stop us):cool:
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Alan,
Several issues:
- Georgian agression
I think if you look at the border incidents prior to the actual conflict, you will agree that there was agression on both sides. As nearly as can be told, Ossetian militia/army was firing on Georgian villages with machine guns and mortars. This is not to say the Georgians did not fire back, nor is it to say the Ossetians fired first. But it is to say that Georgia no matter how stupid Saakashvili is, entered the war without grounds. Border incidents are a standard casus belli. It is impossible to say the Russian/Ossetian side did not participate, and it is impossible to say the Russian/Ossetian side is without complicity in the general high level of tension in the region. Therefore, I disagree with your assertion that Russia has been attempting to stabilize the region since 1991. Russia in 1991 signed a treaty agreeing the region belonged to Georgia, and since then it has armed and invested heavily the Ossetian side. This is not neutral behavior, and it is a direct violation of a legal international agreement signed by the Russian government.
Of course, Georgia started the conventional warfare. But they did not do so in a vacuum, and no matter what RTR says, Russia has supported instability, not stability, in the region.
- Russian signature on treaties
Your arguement Russia has no need to abide by the terms of treaties it signed and ratified is untenable in international law. By that standard, Russia's own borders have no validity, as they were defined by the same 1991 agreement creating the CIS.
In simple terms close to the topic at hand, Chechnya has every bit as much right to be its own country, as Russia. Further, if the 1991 CIS agreement is invalid, the international community has every right and indeed a duty to support the Chechen insurgency.
Yes you right - there were numerous border incidents, especially before the war started. But why you say Ossetians were firing at Georgian villages? With same success you can say that it were Georgians firing at Ossetian villiages, can't you? I think you can't tell now who was the first to fire at another's villages. Did I say that that "Russia has been attempting to stabilize the region since 1991"? No. I said "since 2002(or 2004). You see it's not "Russia" from 90's -like TempV said : "poor and drunken" it's new type of Russia -"with opened eyes and clear minds".
"Russia in 1991 signed a treaty agreeing the region belonged to Georgia, and since then it has armed and invested heavily the Ossetian side"
They didn't sign such treaty - do some closer research- they singed documents on cease-fire, not using any kinds of weapons and peacekeeping force in the region. Now please bring some facts about "arming and investing heavily the Ossetian side" -for me(man who lives in Ossetia) it's some kind of nonsense- if Russia had been investing in Ossetian military it would have been Ossetia who attacked Georgia.
Speaking of Chechnya: ask any Chechen in republic about Russia - these days Chechens are pleased by being part of Russia. There are no more "insurgents" in Chechnya. It's all over now. But in Georgia Russians didn't support some kind of "insurgency" - they were defending Russian citizens and peacekeepers who were under Georgian attack (in fact it was GENOCIDE of Ossetians).
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On 7th august Saakashvili in his interview to georgian channel said that georgia don't want to start war in S.Ossetia. 5 hours after they started to bombard Tshkinvali. You're talking about "Russia wanted the war" while we - people of Osetia - were wondering why it took so long for Russia to move it's units into S.Ossetia. Now S.Ossetia has it's independence and we'll always thank Russia for it. And about what type of diplomats you're talking about? They (georgians) killing us but we should scream for peace?? Our diplomats destroyed georgian military in 2 days. We'll never be part of Georgia again. They made a mistake and there was no turning back. And I wonder why Saakashvili is still president: in 3 days he managed to loose some parts of his country, almost 7 000 soldiers, georgian military became impotent, he ate his tie while speaking to the whole world in interview, he was running like a rat when he heard sound of jet(I should mention that the jet was Georgian) while CNN was interviewing him and so on...
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If Russia did not want a war with Georgia it could have easily avoided it. They knew the attack was coming and they knew that they could defeat it. They could have broadcast an appeal, and a stiff warning, to the Georgian people and the world ahead of hostilities. "Hey, if your idiot leaders do anything stupid this week like launch an attack, we're going to come in and settle this thing with overwhelming force". In my book if the Georgians ignore this and launched a unilateral attack they would deserve to be crushed and occupied. But now the waters are very murky and it can not be said that Russia did ANYTHING to avoid the conflict.
The reason is most likely straight forward. The reason Russia did nothing to try and prevent Georgian aggression was because it wanted the war to happen. If Georgia didn't attack then the status quo, which Russia does not want, would have been maintained. Russia would have won diplomatic points for avoiding the conflict, and therefore avoided the negative consequences she now faces, but they wouldn't have key pieces of Georgian territory (critical to oil/gas delivery) and a chance of bringing down Georgia's current government.
So it is very clear. Russia wanted to settle this issue with its military, not its diplomats. As the much stronger, and I would say smarter, country in this conflict they had an obligation to take the high road. They did not and therefore its other neighbors are quite worried. After nearly half a century of brutal domination by Russians, there is very good reason for concern. Russia's recent behavior is not very different than its previous Soviet behavior in their eyes. Read anything from former Soviet occupied nations and that is very, very, VERY clear.
My educational background is history. Machiavellian politics are a particular favorite of mine. All nations practice it, some more than others... some better than others.
That's my rant for tonight
Steve
Steve please do some research. Since 2002 Russia was trying to prevent Saakashvili from starting a war in S.Ossetia and Abkhazia. There were millions of calls to Saakashivili. Putin let him know that if Georgia attacks S.Ossetia or Abkhazia Russia will have to defend it's citizens. You said before that we should be more careful with our comments but at the same time don't know what you're talking about.
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Alan,
I for one don't understand why the Russians flew into S-200 envelopes. My best guess is, the Russians assumed the Georgians couldn't operate the systems, or that the Russian air force had an effective counter. The sortie rate dropped from dozens of planes in the air to singleton strikes over the course of four days, so it seems clear the Russians really cut back their air effort once they figured out somehow the Georgians might knock them down. Personally, I don't think Russian air support was all that effective. Consider their attempts to hit the Su-25 factory by Tbilisi airport.
As to Russian fears, my point is, RTR and the other Russian media provide information to play to the fears, which is not the same thing as saying all Russian viewers buy what the state media says. I was responding to the question "Why are the Russians so angry about the Ukrainians?" My theory is, really, the Russians really aren't that angry, neither the leadership nor the people. But for RTR, painting Ukraine as a dangerous neighbor, Georgia as a military power, and Russia surrounded by potential enemies is exactly the kind of programming the Kremlin approves of.
And we know what happens to Russian media that reports things, that the Kremlin does not approve of.
http://rutube.ru/tracks/915456.html?v=1e16b063daacd3239483bafa053fbe8d
Russian pilot captured by Georgians.
You're absolutely right with the S-200 thing. Russians thought that georgians couldn't operate those systems. One of the reasons why Russia is angry with Ukraine is that those S-200 were operated by Ukrainians.
And you're right we aren't angry about people of Ukraine. Before war they weren't asked by their president if they want to support Georgia or they want to support Russia. And for that whole TV thing - I don't believe them even 50%. I was watching CNN and BBC those days and I was shocked by what they were telling to the whole world(by the way - 2 American reporters were killed in the morning of 8th August in Tshkinvali. They were moving with georgian troops. 3rd was saved by S.Ossetians).
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What I could follow of the four vids you provided was eminently watchable, but the second of the four produced no vid when selected. Since I don't speak Russian, could you please summarize the highlights of what was said in each. I saw, for example, the captured equipment, some of which was clearly of American design and in some cases,
origin, but I couldn't follow what was said about the personnel docs, the African bodies found, and other items of interest.
Regards,
John Kettler
They've captured few Humvees, Land Rovers and those S-200 that we are talking about. They say that there was some very interesting equipment in those Humvees and Rovers- GPS systems, some systems to contact satellites(I'm not good at whole that electronic, navigation systems thing) and modern radio systems(i guess). They've captured tons of unused M-4's M-60's some NATO weapons and ammunition(but it's not so important - they just meant that georgian army was leaving everything to advancing Russians.). It those docs were taken from dead soldiers showing that they were instructors(There were 2 bodies of Africans in Tskhinvali - as far as i HEARD-i don't have any proof-one of them had American documents with him). Plus the in video they show documents of Ukrainians(crews of S-200).
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actually I have one of those - with 40 rims on it. women love it!:cool:
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Some quick comments then I have to leave for a bit (busy, busy, busy!).
The American vehicles seen were Humvees, not Strykers. Strykers are 8x8 vehicles that look like most like the BTR. I can promise you that they have no Strykers or even the Canadian LAV III variants. They do, however, have a very small number of Humvees. This was mentioned in the article on page 2 or 3 of this thread that detailed all the equipment used.
It is very typical for both sides of a new conflict like this to accuse the other side of distorting the evidence. Each side, unfortunately, tends to discredit the other side's sources more than their own. This is a natural Human condition that we are all guilty of. In other words, "the sources that are on my side are good until proven inaccurate, the sources for my opponent are inaccurate until proven good". We must all be careful to keep this in mind and treat all information, from both sides, as suspect unless it is verified. And I mean *all*. Any American here that was even remotely supportive of the invasion of Iraq knows why this is so important
Steve
Steve I think that everyone in this forum knows the difference between Stryker and Humvee:D
I didn't said that " I SAW STRYKER " I only said what some other people told me "...some type of APC wve never seen before..." so as I did know that georgians have some US or NATO weapons and vehicles I thought that it was Stryker(4 wheeled etc.).
And You're right in second part.
3rd world war not as far as you think:D
Bad performance
in Combat Mission: Shock Force Tech Support
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Hey everybody.
I get HORRIBLE performance when I play the game. My current specs are:
cpu: Intel 3930k @4.5hz
gfx card: Nvidia gtx 680
ram: 16gb @1866
With all of the options turned off in the Nvidia control panel I get minimum 12 FPS while I've never seen more than 30 FPS. In game settings are set to "best". Of course, if I set settings to "fastest" - I get much more FPS, but the image quality is waaaay too low:( Tried setting core affinity to 1 core, 2 cores 6 cores - no difference.
Any suggestions?