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SlapHappy,
Ok, not a direct test, but more force on force observations. The Pz. 38(t) has similar problems of penetration at range as the Pz. 35(t). Seems to be a trend of Czech built tanks. The Pz. IIIF and IVs don't seem to have problems. Even though the Czech guns are better than the Pz. IIIF's main gun?
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Ok, my tests won't be attempted till after the holidays though. Unless I get some free tims.
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Ok, I have done everything the FAQ 1.02 said to do. I go into the encyclopedia and there is nothing there, not even the discription. And when I go to the Pz IVf2 and then the F1 it CTDs.
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Very good questions, I will try my best to answer them.
As far as the firing range goes. I haven't done that yet, but with as many times that I have been playing and seeing the consistant failures in penetration has brought me to where I am today.
My example. All the 1941 German vs. USSR battles. The Pz. 35(t) against the BT-7 series and T-60s. The BT-7 series only has at the highest value of 22mm of armor. The T-60 has at the highest value of 35. Now according to the penetration to range meter the Pz.35(t) should more than handly penetrate the BT-7 series at ranges of 1500m. Now I have actually had the Pz.35(t) at ranges of under 100m blasting away at a BT-7A with a high experienced crew, registering hit after hit with no penetrations. (I am aware that a penetration could just kill crew members or damage equipment and it still keep coming, but that wasn't happening either?) Now I do realize the Pz.35(t) has a tougher time with the T-60, but its possible at around 200m. Now those examples are with the APHE, now you throw in the APCR rounds. It bumps out to about 400m. Heck if I could get close enough without getting shot to pieces. The Pz. 35(t) with the APCR could penetrate the T-34. I actually got next to one with its main gun damaged and started blasting at it, nothing, just pieces flying off of it. Now, my stuff gets hit forget about it. Every round that can penetrate does, and damages something or just flat out destroys it. That gets a bit frustrating..lol, to say the least. I have had similar problems with the Pz.38(t) as well which had a better gun than the 3.7cm gun on the Pz.IIIs. Lets just end with this. If I don't have something with the 7.5cm L24 gun, I have a heck of a time, because of the lack of penetration on stuff they should be penetrating. lol
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Ok, thank you very much SlapHappy. But the problem still exists and to be honest with you, none of those things, seems to me, could be the problem of why a round don't penetrate armor it should? But this is great info for the future.
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Yep, that was my problem, working in the backup directory before moving it over.
Thanks Oudy
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SlapHappy,
Thanks for the response. Now some questions.
Speed: muzzle velocity
aimMinDist: self-explanatory
aimMaxDist: self-explanatory
HistMaxDist: self-explanatory
Dispersion: ????? what do those values mean?
LinesH: ????? Range?
Lines: ????? Range again with different values?
Penetration: self-explanatory.
Now, I am assuming this information is what is plugged onto the GUI in game that shows you the penetration values and what range the target is at for comparison? If so, that is where my problem lies. I take aim on my target look at its armor values, compare to my penetration table to see if it will penetrate, if yes, fire at will, if no, save the ammo or wait till it gets close enough to penetrate, etc, etc.. Now when its yes, and it does not penetrate like it should, then what? I don't want to change any of these values, unless they also are incorrect. I want to correct the problem of it not actually doing what it says its supposed to do, because right now its not.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Oudy,
Got a question for you on your FAQ 1.02. I am going thru it putting in your Pz IVf1 to try to become familiar with modding this game. In section D. Changing the Animation files. You talk about the \Ai\Animattor\Tank.rc file? I don't have that file. All I have are the Animator.rc, artillery.rc and human.rc. No tank.rc? I am missing something?
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Anyone know how to convert this data to real world numbers? This is the 37mm_pzgr_39t_(ap).ini file from the data\ammo\ger directory. I have come across on numberous occassions while playing that these rounds do not penetrate the armor that they should and many others. Most of the early german early stuff don't penetrate what they should. Hit after hit, BOOM, nothing. It keeps on coming, and before I get asked about range. I will say that on the by the range indicator, it should be penetrating any ways. Could this be a difficulty setting problem? I play on veteran. But anyways, I am going over them to compare them to real world data. Here is what I gather from the below.
Name: self-explanatory
AiAmmoType: self-explanatory
TraceMesh: tracer graphic
TraceColor: tracer color
Kalibr: size of gun. 0.037m, 3.7cm, 37mm
Massa: ?????
SolidPower: ?????
SolidPowerRadius: ?????
SplashPower: ????? Guessing something to do with its HE rating
SplashRadius: ????? Guessing its damage radius
PierceEffects: graphic on target
PierceSounds: sound on target
ExplosionEffects: annimation on target
ExplosionSounds: annimation sounds on target
[base]
Name 37mm_PzGr_39t_(AP)
[Properties]
AiAmmoType APHE
TraceMesh Effects\Tracers\020_075mm_Red\mono.sim
TraceColor ff ff ff 00
Kalibr 0.037
Massa 0.81
SolidPower 285
SolidPowerRadius 1
SplashPower 59
SplashRadius 0.2
PierceEffects PierceEffects_020-039mm
PierceSounds PierceEffects_020-039mm
ExplosionEffects PierceEffects_020-039mm
ExplosionSounds PierceEffects_020-039mm
Where are the weight of round, velocity, etc, etc? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
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lol. I have played thru that battle a couple times now without the gun. But I want to take it with me for support and have forgotten about the bug, but this last time, really bugged me and made me go that's it. I am gonna fix this problem if I can. And now here we are.
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Rofl, that would be cool, I hadn't thought of doing that, but at this point what I was trying to do was to replace summer 2.
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I no longer have the autosave prior to rewarding units, I deleted them in thoughts that they were holding onto the old data.
guess I will have to go to the mission prior to Seliger and play it again, go thru that and see what happens. -
I would like to know this also. LOTS of goodies could be added to this game that would make this game are to beat once the bugs get ironed out.
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Oudy,
I have that is how I out how to modify the skins in the first place. The changing the .tga files to .dds and the nvidia plug-in for photoshop. Very helpful. Thank you very much for your efforts on that btw. I changed the .dds back to .tga and I saved them with your settings and nothing. I am must be missing something or did something wrong or the gave just doesn't want me to mod it, lol....I have had nothing but issues since I started to try...lol
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The save file is actually at the beginning of the mission. Right after I rewarded my units for the last mission. That still too early or do I actually have to go all the back thru the campaign to get there for it to work?
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Sneaksie,
And how do we read model from the .msh format? 3ds Max don't read that format?
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Then why didn't my new skin show up? I put the Germany Polish Campaign markings on a Pz 35(t) and when I went into the game, started a fresh campaign no new skin?
BTW Sneaksie, appreciate the help. I am new to Modding ToW. The programs to use to mod this game are also new to. Gotta rememdy that.
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Ok, I got the extractor to work, but came across another problem that the FAQ and readme don't tell you how to do. How do you get your work on skins back into the .sfs files?
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I deleted all the autosaves to prevent it from "remembering" old data. So basically, I fixed it, but because I keeping using a saved game at the beginning of the mission it is using the old data any ways, even though I deleted the autosaves?
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Well, I put an artillery placeholder, didn't work, I put 1 specific PaK 36/37 & PaK 38 placeholders, didn't work? Then with the placeholders I added them into the reserves, still didn't work? Am I doing something wrong?
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Will that allow me to move it around inside the deployment zone?
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I am trying to use Dr. Jones' Extractor and am having an issue. Its not reading any thing and displays a error when I hit the quit button.
So far I have extracted it to my MissionEditor directory like it said to do. The readme states something about a Config.xml with the sfsPath and extradir. I don't have that. It says to set the Path, that's the path when you open the extractor right, not inside some other file prior to opening it?
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Here is the screen shot of the issue. As you will see, the ATG is off in no man's land from the deployment area.
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In the German Campaign, the Seliger mission. If one gets a ATG at the deployment phase, the ATG is placed less than a 100m away from enemy trenches with no possibility of moving it? How do I fix this?
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Ammo data Modifications?
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SlapHappy,
Very true indeed, and that is what I do. I usually try to get it tracked first, to get it to spin and expose weaker side armor. Then go for the turret. But even the near verticle armor on the turret it doesn't penetrate effectively as it should. All I know, is that the Czech built tanks for years were the backbone to the German war effort and were very effective when deployed properly. As of right now, with the games I have played numerous times, does not reflect that. The Czech built tanks had no problems with taking out enemy armor except for the French tanks, and the Russian T-34 and bigger stuff.
Sneaksie,
I understand. If it did penetrate and kill crewmen. I wouldn't have this problem. I do realize that you can penetrate a tank and not "destroy it". Killing the crew results in the same thing, no crew, no fighting back. I was not counting how many holes I put into it. I was going off of its combat abilities. Still in the fight, not in the fight. I hit them and hit them and hit them, with no bouncing off, and they keep coming with no damage. Or at least the damage indicator on the right hand side of the screen doesn't show any. Plus its still moving, still firing back. I also understand that the angle of the armor increases the horizonal armor thickness. But again like I said to SlapHappy, even on the near verticle surfaces no penetrations.
[ January 09, 2008, 06:39 AM: Message edited by: oragus ]