Urko
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Urko concedes to Terif, I was Axis, bid 200.
(You learn a lot playing versus him, in this game with millions of combinations, he knows what to do of memory, I'm sure...)
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Urko concedes to Terif, I was Axis, bid 200.
(You learn a lot playing versus him, in this game with millions of combinations, he knows what to do of memory, I'm sure...)
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Mmm, too much for me :confused: I think I prefer Spanish...Originally posted by JerseyJohn:. . . and the teacher did'nt know what mark to put.
English is like that, what one person considers great writing another thinks is gargage. Most of the best fiction writers break all the rules of correct grammar while the better non-fiction writers only break three quarters of them. To write in English with total correctness is to make the item unreadable. It's the difference between writing English and writing British!
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That makes me remember when I obtained 0'3 pointsin English with my theory: When you throw the water from one glass to another glass you lose a bit of water, explanation: I did an horrible translation in an exercise with mark and the teacher did'nt know what mark to putOriginally posted by JerseyJohn:Thanks, Urko, as I mentioned it's one of those stories that are impossible to tell doing justice to the way it was originally recounted. Like most oldtime Italians he told his stories with a lot of gestures and facial expressions that are impossible to put in words -- eyes bulging for dramatic emphasis when he asked --"What hero -!" with his hands upturned as though seeking an answer from above.
That's why I like documentaries like The World at War, where you can see and hear people, often ordinary soldiers or civilians, recalling events in their own words and with their own mannerisms.
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It's a very funny history Jersey
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I'm bored in order to I'm going to tell more about the international situation of the republic and Franco during the civil war and their influence in the war:Originally posted by JerseyJohn:Urko
Sounds like by far the best course for Spain would have been a consistant rule by the Republic with Franco either being defeated or having never attempted the coups in the first place -- which he probably wouldn't have done without German air transports and Italian weapons / volunteers. Franco sounds like he was a giant step backwards for the Spanish people.
Once again, very glad you posted that account.
Republic:
Countries who aid: U.R.S.S. and stop counting, the U.K. and France abandoned it in front of the Republic annoyment because they were afraid about Germany (U.S. was too far and ancestral enemy before the republic to be considerated a traitor). The U.R.S.S. helped sending a few gums and selling a little of munitions...
Volunteers: the International Brigades came here in 1937 and were coragerous soldiers from different countries (France, the most, a many from the U.K. and U.S. and a bit from many other countries. The returnt home in 1938, when the war was lost.
Official help: Nothing
Franco:
Countries who aid: Germany, Italy, Ireland, Romania, South-American countries... the list is too long
Volunteers: From many countries, but especially from Italy, but in the Italian-volunteer front when the saw the first enemy gums, they began to run in a proportion of 1/10 soldiers positive for Italians and was a red day for them...
Official help: Germany (Pilots, munition...) and Italy
[ May 08, 2003, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: Urko ]
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That was 28 years ago, not now, I'll write the recent history of the church in Spain...Originally posted by JerseyJohn:Urko
Didn't realize the Church in Spain was still so powerful that recently. You know much more about this side of things than I do.
1492 - 1930 The catholic church is joined to the state
1930 - 1936 With the republic there is a separation between it and the state and with the socialist government (not the same as the American socialism, here there is another concept of socialism) there's a neutrality
July 1936 - 1938 Coup d'État, Spain, divided into republicans and fascists, the church helped the fascists and It was well known so in 1936, in the republic zone the churchs, monasteries... were sacked, burnt and many clercks were killed in some cities, the republic fights versus the church
while the fascists advanced...
1938 - 1939 May The republic signs the peace with the church (Negrin, a republican politic did it) but they lost the civil war, the fascist ultra-religious in the power
1951?- 1975, 20 November I don't remember the exact beginning date. Officialy, the State and the church were joined, that means that all the town-hall edicts, national laws... had to be signed for the church or weren't acceppted by Franco and there was a not official powerfull inquisition...
1975 - 1978 Transition, constitution, more freedom and a "democratic system"...
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I'm here teacheeeeeeeeer!Originally posted by JerseyJohn:Urko
What were you going to tell me?
[ May 08, 2003, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: Urko ]
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Mmm, during the XIX century they killed only a few people beacuse they needed to do that the pop says the were powerfull, but in that century the lion did'nt have much life...Originally posted by JerseyJohn:SeaWolf
Urko
That it is; I don't so much bemoan what Spain and Portugal might truly have developed into as much as the lasting effect their narrow ways had on so much of the World's population.
It seems inconceivable today that as late as the early ninteenth century Inquisitional zealots wanted to have Francisco Goya executed, with his works destroyed, on the grounds that his skills were being used to express Satanic visions.
I wonder how many forgotten geniuses they killed over the centuries and what their justification was. Jascha Heifitz is too good with a violin, he has to be in league with the Devil, kill him!
Goya had that problem exactly because he went into politic.
But, You talk about XIX century while 28 years ago you could be 5 years easily in the prison if you said "I don't believe in god" or you weren't catholic in general...
[ May 07, 2003, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: Urko ]
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It's a very sad history of 5 centuriesOriginally posted by JerseyJohn:Regarding the Spanish Empire, it's always been my understanding that failure to industrialize was the main culprit. Running a close second was the stifling influence of the Catholic Church and it's psychotic inquisitors. Spain would have been better off if Ferdinand and Isabella had burned those sociopaths at the stake instead of allowing them free reign to ruin the country and crush all creative thought.
The direct consequence of non-industrialization was the necessity of paying exorbitant prices for finished goods, often bought from their industrialized enemies (principally England) through Itlaian and Low Country middlemen. At the height of it's New World gold and silver mining the Spanish Crown was heavily in debt to Italian and Dutch bankers.
kefedoroff Sounds like a terrific book, thanks for recommending it. I'll try to find a copy.
Shaka Two of my favorites. The Decline and Fall of the Third Republic is generally neglected and was never fully recognized as the classic it actually is.
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Mmm, I surprised when I saw replies in this forum, It passed to the history more than one month ago...
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After seeing your last post I only can do one thing... Laugh: JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
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I hate when I write anything and it appears twice.
I told you I was going to finish crazy, Jersey...
NOW I'M CRAZY
:mad:[ April 06, 2003, 02:20 PM: Message edited by: Urko ]
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It's Urko, not Gurko, Jersey
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It was said before in this forum: Who is winning a war doesn't like peace...
[ April 06, 2003, 02:02 PM: Message edited by: Urko ]
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Yes, they're. I didn't know them. Thanks.
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I don't see the relation between Iraq and Israel in this. This only will affect to Israel in feeling more sure but not in more things. A possible relation is that Israel fights vs. Musliman world and Iraq is part of that, but this time there is no cross between Iraq and Israel.
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This arrives to a classical question "To create a world just, democratic and without violence isn't necesary injustice, dictatorship and violence?
The humans are bad for nature, never learn the lessons and corrupt, all that is not possible...
Rambo: I think Europe has more reasons to be against war excepting Israel.
[ April 06, 2003, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: Urko ]
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JerseyJohn:
I know a plan that America shoulded do:
1) Make the greatest rocket in the world
2) Launch it to the moon so when it impacts the moon is on Europe
3) I falls on Germany, Germany is heavily damaged so they surrender and allies win the war
There is only one problem, the rest of the planet was going to be in a nuclear winter and exploding but... wasn't the war won?
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Mmm, and this forum was about what could happen if Hitler was murdered...
[ April 05, 2003, 04:32 PM: Message edited by: Urko ]
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JerseyJohn:
Agreed
All these problems (nationalisms, wars, anti-nationalisms) only will be fixed when the world will obtain its maximun cultural developtment and will join in an alone country (and when this forum converts in a chat)
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Now, I have read your second part of your last advice, I'm going to finish crazy :mad:
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There's no any economic or diplomatic war against U.S. They only don't want that the U.S. acts out of the U.N. and they, as part of the Security of the U.N. (excepting Germany) should defend its diplomatic power.
Their hostility isn't with the United Estates, is with the war. I have seen insults (not from you) in this ladder to those countries, and I don't like them beacuse the most are untrue, for that I'm trying to say the there is not any kind of war against the U.S.
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I was writing my last post when JerseyJohn wrote his, there's the same anti-americanism from the Europeans that anti-europeism from the Americans and it's very light.
I'm not speaking about the war, I'm speaking about the critizices of those Europeans countries.
High Command Generals Revised Rating
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It could be added also generals in the neutral countries, and give each one of them an independent role of U.K. and Germany...
For example: Next to Madrid Franco's headquarters