StoneAge Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Now that we have a release date, I hope to see a lot of the old Row players and Senario designers start returning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneAge Posted April 8, 2011 Author Share Posted April 8, 2011 Calling Kingfish, Rune, Holien, Spanish Bombs, WineCap or any of the other guys who had a hand in running the ROW. I am looking for current links or copies of the ROW Rules, The Nabla scoring system, and any other files used to run the ROW also will there be any scenario's that could be used for the ROW in the initial release or will we need to wait for user built scenario's. to see if we have all the tools to set up the ROW BN fav post from Row IV (this what a game should do to you) “I am currently embroiled in "Sounds in the Night" with Greg and let me just say there is a special place in the 7th circle of hell for whoever designed this one. I suggest it be destroyed after the Tourney in order to prevent it from escaping and destroying society as we know it. Personally, I am going to need therapy after this game” The Capt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Oh sweet lord, I was hoping someone was going to mention RoW. Sign me up!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaws Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I am in line for this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Can you guys enlighten me? What is RoW? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scheer Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 If there will be a ROW, I would like to sign in. Have fond memorys of ROW II ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatmasta Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 What, where did you find the release date? What it is, haven't found it anywhere... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Can you guys enlighten me? What is RoW? What is Rumblings of War? Simply THE premiere wargaming tournament that ever was held using the Combat Mission games. Probably the single toughest tactical wargaming challenge that ever scarred a hard drive. To summarize, hand-made scenarios by some of the most evil, twisted designers that ever were allowed outside of an asylum. These men take the high art of torturing grogs to a new level....I swear to god I had nightmares. These scenarios are not balanced and in fact some cases are downright unfair!! The Nabla scoring system (outlawed in at least three countries btw) doesn't measure the players final score, it measures his very worth as compared to every other player in the tourney. I have personally seen grown men break down and weep like babes when the numbers were crunched and it was time to "come to Jesus". What is Rumblings of War????.....the best time you will have with your clothes on....check that I am convinced some crazy bastards played naked except for warpaint. To win is to become a God among men, to lose is to be expected. Seriously though...damn good time....so lets do another shall we? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidan1 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 When the game comes out, and we all get comfortable with it, we should certainly look to start a RoW tourney....no doubt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonzoAttacker Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 You actually played ROW with your clothes on? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umlaut Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 What, where did you find the release date? What it is, haven't found it anywhere... It´s there in preorder announcement - but I overlooked it too the first couple of times: "Combat Mission: Battle for Normandy is scheduled for release around the end of April, 2011" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonzoAttacker Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 http://www.battlefront.com/community/announcement.php?f=124&a=388 Pre order here... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WineCape Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Why not? If your name is not on this list below, you can forget getting through the revolving door, unless ...... 76mm/Tom Reiter Abbott Ace Pilot Andreas Andrew Kulin/Ankulin Artavash Beeper Bertram Big Dog Bigdogg944 Bigduke6 BigMac644 Bil Hardenberger Bimmer (Gestapo has to verify this one) bobm44 Boris Balaban Brent Pollock c3k Capt T Combined Arms Cpl Carrot Cyrano Dalem Dandelion Dangerous Dave Deadly 88 Denwad DerBlitzer Diesel Taylor Dirtweasle Elmar Bijlsma Enigma Enoch Fangorn Flenser forseti Frenchy/Steve Dixon Frunze George Mc Green Hornet GreenAsJade Grimthane Heavy Drop Holien Hunter Jarmo JasonC Jaws JeffWilders Joachim John Bertles John D Salt John L John O JonS JPS K.A. Miles Kanonier Reichmann Kettler KingFish Kip Anderson kump Lindan Londoner Lt Bull Malakovski Melnibone Mick Oz Mike8g/Marcus Bloss mPisi nathangun NG cavscout Nidan1 noob Other Means Panzer Twat Peterk Platehead RawRecruit Reanimator Redwolf Renaud Richie rune Runyan99 Sandy Scott B Scheer Sergei Shmavis Sivodsi Spanish Bombs SpineRipper Sripe Steve McClaire SteveS Stickypixxie Stoffel StoneAge Stryker/Kevin Grande Tabpub Ted The Enigma The_Capt tlKillerich Tom Travisano Treeburst155 U8led Victor Charlie von Lucke wadepm Walpurgis Nacht We Build We Fight wellsonian Wreck WWB xerxes/Marc S 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Walpurgis Nacht and Wreck.....fear...so much fear... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WineCape Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Walpurgis Nacht and Wreck.....fear...so much fear...The Deadliest Duo in Dodgeville. I can state, with certainty, that the above two were the most phenomenal and dangerous players in all of Rumblings of War, Nabla or no Nabla* scoring system used. "The Nabla" has as premise: "Unlike chess, CM is not a perfectly balanced game. Due to its very nature, inequities will always exist to some degree. This is true whether playing designed scenarios or QB meeting engagements. This makes competition CM somewhat problematic. How does one measure player performance relative to the competition when all is not equal at the beginning? To complicate matters further, we don’t even know how far, or which way, the scales are tipped for the Axis or Allied side. The Nabla system for CM alleviates this balance problem to a great degree. In fact, the scoring system was designed specifically for the purpose of scoring CM competitions that utilize deliberately unbalanced scenarios. Competition scenario designers are now free to design scenarios with fun as the primary goal, rather than balance. Hours and hours of playtesting for balance are no longer necessary! Lopsided scenarios can be thrown into tournaments to keep players on their toes. No longer can players make the assumption that their forces are adequate to achieve the mission assigned if properly employed! That is the strength of the Nabla system. The foundations of the scoring system can be condensed into four principles. 1. The baseline against which performance is measured is set by average performance in a scenario. 2. It is equally difficult to be a winner in a scenario, regardless of victory margins. Therefore, the level of skill needed to score well in a scenario is considered to be equal in all scenarios. 3. When determining the goodness of a player from a set of scenarios, uniformly strong gameplay is rewarded. 4. In a scenario, both players should always have an incentive to strive for more CM points. That is, gaining a few more CM points should always be rewarded. The mathematical operations used to implement the first 3 objectives are, in corresponding order, difference from median, normalization of mean absolute deviation, and an asymmetric, nonlinear scoring curve. We believe that the Nabla system takes competition CM to a new level of fun and excitement for players and scenario designers alike, while providing an excellent way to determine players’ relative performance in a competition setting." PS: Experience has taught that the best way to organize the Nabla scored tourney is to use 24 players tournaments, divide them into 4 equal sections of 6 players. This arrangement means that each scenario will be played 12 times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 If your name is not on this list below, you can forget getting through the revolving door, unless ...... Stickypixxie How about one that is close enough . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmer Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 If your name is not on this list below, you can forget getting through the revolving door, unless ...... I could swear I was in on one of these, maybe the first one? Or is this just the list of "financial contributors?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WineCape Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 @ Stikkypix(x)ie, You stick. Close enough. :-) @Bimmer And sending keys to your holiday house(s) in exotic places... Apart from the competition, the beauty of RoW was that scenario designers spawned scenarios for RoW specifically, and these designers received an added bonus to their off-beat creations: AAR's were compulsory for RoW participants as they carried extra points to get into the play-offs. Anything from as simple as a couple of typed pages to a full blown pictured AAR scored you the full compliment of tourney points allocated to AAR writing. In this small way, scenario designers were thanked for their unique RoW tourney created scenarios with a detailed set of comments about their work, which were thoroughly stress-tested; it gave them excellent ideas/indicators regarding future tweaking and/or public release of their handiwork in the CM fraternity. A win-win situation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Springelkamp Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 As I didn't play in any ROW tournament, I searched about the NABLA scoring system, and I found a hot discussion about it's fairness. I think a Bridge competition has exactly the same problem: the cards are almost never dealt 'fair'. For single pairs - that is when you are not forming a team with another pair - the score is simply linear according to order of result for both sides: When a scenario is played 5 times, the best allied player and the best axis player get 8 points, second best 6 points, and worst 0 points. Equal results share, so with equal 2nd and 3rd places both get 5 points. This system has worked satisfactory for serious competitions for almost a century, so why wouldn't it work for CM? Actually, the more serious world championships are played in a different way, where two pairs join to form a team to play a match against a different team, and the same hand is played on two tables with changed sides. Each team totals the result of both sides, and the difference with be converted to match points (where very large swings are reduced a bit). The team play emphasizes the ability to score big, or to prevent the others to score big, while the singe pair competition favours those players that can just get that result that is a little bit better than most of the others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Bombs Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Fond memories, indeed! I recall having to submit an application 'essay' for ROW I just to get in, and the horrific night scenario from that tournament, plus much more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WineCape Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 As I didn't play in any ROW tournament, I searched about the NABLA scoring system, and I found a hot discussion about it's fairness. The Nabla worked well in various Rumblings tourneys given past experience. It was, if memory serves, also tweaked from the original Alpha given input/discussion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bil Hardenberger Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Walpurgis Nacht and Wreck.....fear...so much fear... I don't see Fionn on that list. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmer Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I *KNEW* I was in on the first one! Just had to dig up the proof: http://www.battlefront.com/community/showpost.php?p=247009&postcount=89 So what's the going bribe these days? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WineCape Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I *KNEW* I was in on the first one! Just had to dig up the proof: http://www.battlefront.com/community/showpost.php?p=247009&postcount=89 So what's the going bribe these days?Look at the list again previously in this thread. I don't see Fionn on that list. Fionn riled Treeburst155 so heavily that the latter tendered his resignation. Since Treeburst was more valuable then Fionn from a tournament perspective, there was a certain decision we made, way back at the Invitational if I remembered correctly.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivodsi Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Wooo hooo! I'm in. The last ROW was my first, but it remains my most intense gaming experience to date. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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