Technology in WW2

[Affentitten]

I'm starting to wonder if the Bob Semple tank was actually a cover up for the NZ chrono-drive program.

[Michael Emrys]

So Oberth concluded they had an internally referenced gravity field huh?

Since no such thing is (otherwise) known to exist one must conclude that he invented it to fit his conclusion.

Kinda fails on the evidence stakes, yet again....

It may have been a bit more respectable than that. He was probably trying to imagine a hypothesis that would explain the observations being reported to him, a thing theoretical scientists do for a living. But since there was no available means to test the hypothesis, it was never meant to go further into actual theory, let alone conclusion. It is the rather hysterical amateurs who come along afterwards who try to blow it up into that.

Michael

[Michael Emrys]

I'm starting to wonder if the Bob Semple tank was actually a cover up for the NZ chrono-drive program.

My god! That explains everything! How did we miss that for so long?

Michael

[Stalins Organ]

It may have been a bit more respectable than that. He was probably trying to imagine a hypothesis that would explain the observations being reported to him, a thing theoretical scientists do for a living. But since there was no available means to test the hypothesis, it was never meant to go further into actual theory, let alone conclusion. It is the rather hysterical amateurs who come along afterwards who try to blow it up into that.

Oh yes - sorry - I have no problem with the hypothesis....just with the idea that it constitutes evidence of anything!

People are free to imagine up whatever they like - we all do......who would want to be in a world without The Illiad or Star Wars or Sherlock Holmes or (insert fiction of your choice)!!

[Michael Emrys]

And remember, Oberth was a bit of a visionary anyway, accustomed to giving his imagination pretty free rein although more normally constrained by what was at least already theoretically possible. If he was talking about internally referenced gravity, he was letting it hang out a little further than usual.

Michael

[Affentitten]

My god! That explains everything! How did we miss that for so long?

Michael

It's because the NZ chrono-drive actually sucked the entire country back in time by about 50 years. Nobody noticed at first and now we've just gotten used to it.

[JonS]

... If he was talking about internally referenced gravity ...

Heh - it's a funny thing, because AFAICT he wasn't, and never did. The link Kettloon provided as "evidence" certainly does NOT support the assertion.*

It seems to be just another threadbare fibre of John's cloak of insanity.

Jon

* Which is, of course, SOP for Kettloon

[JonS]

It's because the NZ chrono-drive actually sucked the entire country back in time by about 50 years. Nobody noticed at first and now we've just gotten used to it.

Oh shush. We're right up to date - we'll be getting something newfangled thing called "TV" next week, and everybody is very excited.

[Stalins Organ]

<don't anyone tell Jon...but everyone else in the country has had TV for 50 years and we're a bit miffed that he's catching up...his family lives up in the hills, and, as they say, the family tree doesn't branch much....>

[Stalins Organ]

Oberth certainly thought UFO's real - from his wiki page:

During the 1950s and 1960s, Oberth offered his opinions regarding unidentified flying objects (UFOs). He was a supporter of the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the origin of the UFOs that were seen at the Earth. For example, in an article in The American Weekly magazine of October 24, 1954, Obert stated, "It is my thesis that flying saucers are real, and that they are space ships from another solar system. I think that they possibly are manned by intelligent observers who are members of a race that may have been investigating our earth for centuries..."

...and in the context of the 1950's that's not an unreasonable position.

However with another 60 years of research, investigation and knowledge under our belt we know better - just as ppl 60 years from now will know better about some things too - the 1950's optimism/speculation about outer space must have been pretty exciting at the time!

I note however that Oberth didn't think UFO's were anything much to do with the Nazi's, and he was allowed to leave Germany despite being a pre-eminent rocket scientist - that seems unusal for the times - perhaps he had Vril friends working in the American administration??

[JonS]

Oberth certainly thought UFO's real

Sure - I was specifically referring to "internally referenced gravity" as a way of overcoming otherwise lethal G-loads due to obscene manooverability. The wiki refers to his belief that anti-G might be a source of motive power, but that isn't anything to do with Kettloons claim.

As an aside, Google thinks that this thread is the only place in teh hole intarwebs where you can find the phrase "internally referenced gravity" ... which in probably a clue that Kettloon has now progressed to making sh!t up, rather than just passing sh!t along unfiltered and untreated.

[JonS]

<... everyone else in the country has had TV for 50 years and we're a bit miffed that he's catching up...his family lives up in the hills' date=' and, as they say, the family tree doesn't branch much....>[/quote']

Oh yeah? Well ... we got a rotary dial telephone last month, SO THERE!

Also, it simply isn't true what they say about my sister and her six fingers. Or my webbed toes.

Sis is the one with the webbed toes.

[Affentitten]

I heard they don't have TV in CHC at the moment because the power is out...

And by the way, I will be watching on forlornly at the game on Saturday night.

[Stalins Organ]

Power has been on in most of Chch since a few hours after the main quake back on Saturday - may parents got it back by 9am that day. IIRC the last report I heard this mornign said 500 homes were still without it.

[Affentitten]

Look I just heard the news this morning saying that another after shock had cut power again. But I'm sure the news you have is more up to date than what eventually filters through to me. Is the Cathedral OK? It was Mrs A's favourite bit of town.

[JonS]

Aff, sounds like power went down for a bit, but was back up again pretty quick. I'm actually pretty surprised - and impressed - with how quick they're getting services back up. Water and sewerage, though, is going to take a while.

Two, at least, historic buildings (listed as Cat1 Historic Places) got torn down yesterday. The Cathederal is damaged, but I think they're pretty keen to repair it if at ALL practical.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/canterbury-earthquake/4105729/Many-damaged-heritage-buildings-may-be-saved

Services:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/canterbury-earthquake/4104685/Graphic-Post-quake-services (doesn't dshow where power is and isn't,. but from the denisty you can get an idea of where the worst hit area(s) is.

Interesting:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/canterbury-earthquake/4103990/Video-Faultline-rips-open-landscape

Jon

[Stalins Organ]

I haven't heard of any power outages since the original one - if there were any this morning it must have been fairly minor.

all I know about the cathedral is that it has some cracks. The Catholic Cathedral is a much nicer building anyway!

the epicentre of the latest major aftershock was only a few km from the city - in Lyttleton Harbour and only 6 or 7 km down, so very, very close to the city.

there' a great "dynamic" map here that gives a great view!

[JonS]

Nice find

[Affentitten]

Do you think this all could have been the result of subterranean tunnelling up from Antarctica or underground UFO testing?

[Stalins Organ]

I think that if there was subterranean tunnelling up from Antarctica or underground UFO testing then yes, it could have caused something like this.

Nice segue back to WW2 tech......

[Affentitten]

Well I'm assuming that Antarctica is cold because of a secret Nazi endothermic weapon.

Of course even the word Antarctica means "opposite (or opposed to) the Bear". A clear signal that the anti-Russian struggle continues down there.

[Stalins Organ]

I guess the Nazi's must have gotten hold of the Semple Tank to start the process of cooling it 40 million years ago.

that also explains what happened to the tanks...clearly the story that such advanced technology was just broken up back into tractors was a black op coverup!

how neat is that - a couple of mysteries neatly solved together!

[Affentitten]

How do you know it was cold 40 million years ago? Have you been there? How many people had been there prior to WW2? Old photos can be faked.

[Stalins Organ]

Semple tank...chrono-drive project....think about it......

[John Kettler]

You could just as easily call it a local gravitational field generated by the craft's rotation, be it a heavy mass rotating slowly, or a light mass moving at relativistic speeds; either creates a local field which frees the occupants in the cabin from the otherwise dreadful standard outcome for such extreme directional change at very high speed.

Recommend you read this excerpt (Fair use) from here:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_flyingobjects44.htm

"Brown's discs were charged with a high positive voltage, on a wire, running along their leading edge and a high negative voltage, on a wire, running along their trailing edge. As the wires ionized the air around them, a dense cloud of positive ions would form ahead of the craft and corresponding cloud of negative ions would form behind the craft.

Brown's research indicated that, like the charged plates of his capacitors, these ion clouds induced a gravitational force directed in the minus to plus direction. As the disc moved forward in the response to its self generated gravity field, it would carry with it its positive and negative ion clouds and their associated electrogravity gradient. Consequently, the discs would ride their advancing gravity wave much like surfers ride an ocean wave.

Dr. Mason Rose, one of Townsend's colleagues, described the discs principle of operation as follows: The saucers made by Brown have no propellers, no jets, no moving parts at all. They create a modification of the gravitational field around themselves, which is analogous to putting them on the incline of a hill. They act like a surfboard on a wave... the electrogravitational saucer creates its own "hill", which is a local distortion of the gravitational field, then it takes this "hill" with it in any chosen direction and at any rate.

The occupants of one of [brown's] saucers would feel no stress at all no matter how sharp the turn or how great the acceleration. This is because the ship and its occupants and the load are all responding equally to the wave like distortion of the local gravitation field. "

The author of the above article wrote THE SECRETS OF ANTIGRAVITY PROPULSION, which will give you quite an education on where antigravity work stood in 1956 before it went black and on where it's gone since. As for what's said of the B-2's antigravity propulsion mode described in the article, YouTube has a vid showing the concept works just fine using a B-2 shaped cutout in place of the discs on T. Townsend Brown's Electrokinetic Apparatus

I've talked to a retired military person who's watched the B-2 silently take off vertically from Whiteman AFB and then whiz out of sight. That person says they try to hide it by doing it in bad weather, but reports seeing it operating under antigravity propulsion several times. No noise and no jet exhaust visible. That person is by no means the only source confirming this B-2 capability.

To those with eyes to see, ears to hear and open minds, there are lots of ways to generate antigravity, but I refer you to Ben Rich's previously posted statements on the situation. The technology is reported clear back to India thousands of years ago (and the Indians are mounting a massive technology recovery effort from their ancient texts as we speak; it's already produced working RAM), where it speaks of the "whirling power of mercury" in certain vimanas. In turn, we see that this apparently also holds true for the Bell (see Farrell's S.S. BROTHERHOOD OF THE BELL) and the deep black TR-3B (see here for details on how it was exposed, is structured and propelled http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_extraterrestrialtech07.htm). Take careful note of the similarities between the Magnetic Field Disruptor on the TR-3B and the Magnetic Field Impulsor on the German WW II saucers. Isn't that interesting?

Regards,

John Kettler