BloodCat Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 About half-announced NATO module: don't you think it will be kinda boring? I mean, it won't implement any new tactics, just some units without any major differences. And it would be very hard to make a new sensible campaign, I think. Wouldn't it be much more interesting to switch attention to Israel Defense Forces? Syria and uncons look like perfect opponents, IDF has much more combat experience than any NATO army, they differ in tactics and equipment... so, why NATO and not IDF? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 I mean, it won't implement any new tactics, just some units without any major differences. You'll have to clarify your point. What are the major differences that IDF would bring that Royal Netherlands Army or Bundeswehr don't? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Yeh, 20-30 brand new scenarios, three entirely different armies, different northern Syria geography, a new campaign or two, perhaps expanded Syrian forces, plus game engine upgrades... that's just nothin'. Boring boring boring. Why is IDF any more interesting than the Canadian army (that's what I want most to see in the NATO module)? The one significant difference I can think of is Canada works worldwide as UN peacekeeps while Israel has a habit of bombing UN peacekeepers. 'Accidentally' of course, always accidentally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yair Iny Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 The one significant difference I can think of is Canada works worldwide as UN peacekeeps while Israel has a habit of bombing UN peacekeepers. 'Accidentally' of course, always accidentally. Wow Mike, this seems like an almost visceral reaction from you. Anyone mentions the IDF and you immediately pounce Agree with Sergei though, only difference between IDF and other western armies, in CMSF terms, is the different equipment. And other than my own personal experience, I can't really see why, e.g. the Leo is less interesting than the Merkava, etc. Anyway, this has been hashed again and again. BF aren't gonna do it, so no use in asking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomir Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 IDF has much more combat experience than any NATO army That made me raise my eyebrow, man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzermartin Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Will we see different terrain too? Would be nice if each module introduced some new textures for buildings and world objects. Nothing of gameplay signifcance so a map would be useful to people without the modules, just striped of the extra textures/doodads. No matter how cool vehicles are, game world still looks a bit "clinical" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodCat Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 different northern Syria geography Mountains?.. Israel has a habit of bombing UN peacekeepers. 'Accidentally' of course, always accidentally. Yep, in cases like enemy mortars firing from UN hospital roof, etc. Wouldn't you call in CAS in such situation? BF aren't gonna do it, so no use in asking. Disappointing, but thanks for straight answer. That made me raise my eyebrow, man. I meant all the Arab-Israeli wars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksy Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Mountains?.. Yep, in cases like enemy mortars firing from UN hospital roof, etc. Wouldn't you call in CAS in such situation? Disappointing, but thanks for straight answer. No mortars being fired fromthis building http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14029827 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Perhaps we should keep clear of the politics? Those discussions tend to go downhill pretty quickly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Which brings to mind another reason why including the IDF is bad, m'kay? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksy Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Which brings to mind another reason why including the IDF is bad, m'kay? Sorry for the derailment. For me they are the last military force i would like to see in a game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 If it wasn't you, somebody else would've done the same. However, I'm mildly baffled by this IDF hatred. Not high on my list of groups I respect, either. But my goodness, must such a big deal be made?! In a few months time I'll be operating SS Tiger tanks and nobody will think anything of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksy Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 If it wasn't you, somebody else would've done the same. However, I'm mildly baffled by this IDF hatred. Not high on my list of groups I respect, either. But my goodness, must such a big deal be made?! In a few months time I'll be operating SS Tiger tanks and nobody will think anything of it. Won't get into the why's and wherefores. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzermartin Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 If it wasn't you, somebody else would've done the same. However, I'm mildly baffled by this IDF hatred. Not high on my list of groups I respect, either. But my goodness, must such a big deal be made?! In a few months time I'll be operating SS Tiger tanks and nobody will think anything of it. Villains are like wine. They get more popular as time goes by. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSG Grymm Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 I'm not sure why I see the haterd towards the IDF. Mistakes and collateral damage happen all the time in conflicts, even more so when you are fighting an enemy that is heavily mixed in with the population. As you are a wargamer you'd have to admire the tactics and equipment the IDF has. The wargamers side of me says, I'd love to be in command of an IDF company level team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Right. What makes SS interesting villains is that they are long time gone. Who's scared by a dead bogey? Said this I have to admit the number of times I played as german in a IIWW game are close to nil. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodCat Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 For me they are the last military force i would like to see in a game. Why is that? Canadian goody-goodies are more fun? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksy Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Why is that? Canadian goody-goodies are more fun? The short answer is...I despise them, tactics and attitude. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzermartin Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Right. What makes SS interesting villains is that they are long time gone. Who's scared by a dead bogey? Said this I have to admit the number of times I played as german in a IIWW game are close to nil. How about Italy? They are still Axis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Even Italy? They are still axis But they had the good sense to arrest Mussolini and throw in the towel. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUCASWILLEN05 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 This is a wargame, not real life politics. I would like to see the IDF included as they are a natural opponent for the Syrians and their inclusiion would allow for otherMiddle Eastern nations in a near future setting (eg Egypt, Jordan, perhaps even Iran/Iraq) even if you limit it to a hypothetical Arab Israeli war scenario. Merkavas versus Egyptian owned M1A1s in the Sinai would be fascinating and quite evenly matched battle. You could even have US intervention options. Gaming the conflict might help educate people in regard to the military problems the IDF must face in the real world situation and thereby generate a more informed understanding of the situation. Luke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 The IDF would be interesting, from the point of view of MBT-class APCs etc. but it is such a current political hot potato that BFC don't want to go there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandokan Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 How about Italy? They are still Axis Er...well, you know, uhm... Seriously, it is true I do like playing italians. It is the home team. Nevertheless sometimes I've mixed feelings about this. Benito as prime minister and, worse, allied with the nazi...ugh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodCat Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 The short answer is...I despise them, tactics and attitude. Wow, bro... How about a long answer? IMO, Tzahal is very efficient force. What's wrong? The IDF would be interesting, from the point of view of MBT-class APCs etc. but it is such a current political hot potato that BFC don't want to go there. Ah, that's the reason. Silly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksy Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Wow, bro... How about a long answer? IMO, Tzahal is very efficient force. What's wrong? Sorry, no long answer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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