mididoctors Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 looks like a cromwell chassis is it a form of kangaroo? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Salt Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 It's a Crusader gun tractor, doing what Crusader gun tractors do best, towing a gun. This one seems to have build-up sides for deep wading. All the best, John. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Possibly a Centaur Kangaroo APC Cromwell Cruiser Tank 1942-50 By David Fletcher, Richard C. Harley, Peter Sarson mentions a redundant Cromwell getting converted in France, with engine doors from a Sherman fitted at the back. Lots of interesting scans at the pic source 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 John as usual is spot on Crusader MK I Gun Tractor equipped with a deep water fording kit allowing it to become amphibious, the Crusader MK I is towing anti-tank gun. MK I Gun Tractor was built by Nuffield Mechanisation and Aero. Normandy, D-Day, June 6, 1944. http://www.owensarchive.com/world-war-ii/tanks-artillery/crusader-mk-i-gun-tractor-/prod_8304.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Wow. There are some names I haven't seen in a while. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Great photo - shows what a slapped-together kludge a lot of those wartime army workshops conversions were. Still, an efficient use of worthwhile assets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 This one seems to have build-up sides for deep wading. Yep, you can see the D-Day loading markings on the front left of the veh: ##51 L.C.T. 4 The British stipulated that all vehs across the beaches in the first, er, 6 hours(?) would be tracked. Wheels were only allowed sometime after that. That's a good part of the reason why all the assault divs had their 25-pr regts replaced with SPs, either Priests or Sextons. That particular veh in the photo is from either 246 Bty, 62 A/Tk Regt, RA (an I Corps Regt), or ??? Bty, 73 A/Tk Regt, RA (30 Corps) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mididoctors Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 bonus points 6 pounder or 17 pounder? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 17 pounder. You can tell by the gunshield and frankly, the vehicle towing it is quite the clue. Heavy gun tractor tends to mean heavy gun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mididoctors Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 Yep, you can see the D-Day loading markings on the front left of the veh: ##51 L.C.T. 4 The British stipulated that all vehs across the beaches in the first, er, 6 hours(?) would be tracked. Wheels were only allowed sometime after that. That's a good part of the reason why all the assault divs had their 25-pr regts replaced with SPs, either Priests or Sextons. That particular veh in the photo is from either 246 Bty, 62 A/Tk Regt, RA (an I Corps Regt), or ??? Bty, 73 A/Tk Regt, RA (30 Corps) i think its part of the 61st AT reg/51st highland div that landed on the 7th june... any advance on that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 i think its part of the 61st AT reg/51st highland div that landed on the 7th june... I think you're wrong. The blue-over-red tac sign with the number "2" on it, and especially the white bar at the top of that tac sign tells you it's a corps unit (white bar at the bottom = army unit) If it was 61st A/Tk Regt, the tac sign would be blue over red with no white bar, and the number "46" on it, and elsewhere on the vehicle there'd be a Blue-red "HD" divisional sign - probably where the scratched out block is on the vehicle right-front. Incidentally, the shape of that scratched out bloc - if it is the corps symbol - leads me to think this veh is more likely to be from XXX Corps than I Corps, due to the shape of their respective signs (leaping boar vs spearhead) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicky Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 "Duntocher" T126678 http://web.mac.com/philhendry/iWeb/PCHWargaming/Old%20Blog/B75E2C46-5321-4415-83B7-75581A259815.html I wasn't sure if was a spatter of mud or an ornate thistle on the front plate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 I don't think it was from 91st because of the deep wading kit and invasion loading markings. AFAIK none of the later arrivals had these things, since they simply weren't needed. OTOH, I agree that the naming of the indiv tractors is a strong indicator, and the shape of the corps tac sign is more like VII or XIII corps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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